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	<title>Comments on: When Tragedy Strikes: Losing Faith, Telling Stories, Finding Hope.</title>
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		<title>By: The Exponent &#187; Blog Archive &#187; conditioned to love the Monster God</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Exponent &#187; Blog Archive &#187; conditioned to love the Monster God</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 19:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Earthquakes in Haiti earlier this year, JohnR wrote this post about suffering, and storytelling, and how we can cope with tragedy without trying to piece an all [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ecclesiastes and the Role of Suffering &#171; Course Correction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ecclesiastes and the Role of Suffering &#171; Course Correction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] message of Ecclesiastes is common sense rather than pie in the sky. Life is not fair. Bad things do happen to good people, and the wicked are not punished immediately for their acts. Expecting to ward off pain and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jen G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

You raise important questions that we are forced to admit we do not have the answers to one way or the other.  I think what you said to your children about what happens to our bodies after death was well put.  But I admit I&#039;m curious as to if you believe in any kind of a concept of a soul, as separate from the body, or a consciousness that exists from the body after death.  I ask because although you are atheist, meaning you don&#039;t believe in a God, there seems to be some who call themselves atheist who believe ( or hold out for the possibility) that we do possess a soul or a consciousness separate from our body that does continue on in some fashion after death. I was so surprised to hear this, and thought, then why do they call themselves &#039;atheist&#039;?  But that could be total ignorance on my part.  Originally I had thought that all atheists believed in no God, and no afterlife.  But, as I mentioned, it seems not all atheists think that the one has to denote the other.  I wondered if you would mind mentioning your thoughts on that.  Do you know if these types of atheists are a very small minority within atheism, or would not really be considered &#039;atheist&#039; by most atheists?  Totally random here, but I am a little curious.  Please know that this is not a set up for an attack on what you belief one way or the other.  I&#039;m just curious about a concept (is that an appropriate description for atheism?) that I don&#039;t know much about.  

I realize this draws away from the point of your post though, which was so beautifully put, about taking action in the face of real tragedy, regardless of your beliefs.  I apologize if this is an inappropriate comment to make to this post, please know that I do not mean to draw you into a debate.  I wasn&#039;t sure where else to ask it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>You raise important questions that we are forced to admit we do not have the answers to one way or the other.  I think what you said to your children about what happens to our bodies after death was well put.  But I admit I&#8217;m curious as to if you believe in any kind of a concept of a soul, as separate from the body, or a consciousness that exists from the body after death.  I ask because although you are atheist, meaning you don&#8217;t believe in a God, there seems to be some who call themselves atheist who believe ( or hold out for the possibility) that we do possess a soul or a consciousness separate from our body that does continue on in some fashion after death. I was so surprised to hear this, and thought, then why do they call themselves &#8216;atheist&#8217;?  But that could be total ignorance on my part.  Originally I had thought that all atheists believed in no God, and no afterlife.  But, as I mentioned, it seems not all atheists think that the one has to denote the other.  I wondered if you would mind mentioning your thoughts on that.  Do you know if these types of atheists are a very small minority within atheism, or would not really be considered &#8216;atheist&#8217; by most atheists?  Totally random here, but I am a little curious.  Please know that this is not a set up for an attack on what you belief one way or the other.  I&#8217;m just curious about a concept (is that an appropriate description for atheism?) that I don&#8217;t know much about.  </p>
<p>I realize this draws away from the point of your post though, which was so beautifully put, about taking action in the face of real tragedy, regardless of your beliefs.  I apologize if this is an inappropriate comment to make to this post, please know that I do not mean to draw you into a debate.  I wasn&#8217;t sure where else to ask it.</p>
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		<title>By: angryyoungwoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>angryyoungwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this, John.  You make the world a better place with your words and actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this, John.  You make the world a better place with your words and actions.</p>
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		<title>By: Elise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post John, I remember reading it originally and liked it again this time around. I know we&#039;ve talked about this before, but I agree with your &quot;we&#039;re all we&#039;ve got&quot; statement while also still believing in a higher power....taking more of the viewpoint that we were created but are left to &quot;figure this world out&quot; on our own, and that we can&#039;t &quot;think&quot; or &quot;pray&quot; ourselves into a better world or better situation. I&#039;m rambling but my point is this - somehow humanity, which is beautiful and horrifying at the same time, is inter-connected with both visible and invisible threads.  Prayer to me is a time of quiet and meditation when I try to quiet my busy-body mind long enough to tap into that connectedness, with the outcome (hopefully) being that the threads currently invisble to me become more visible. In recognizing those threads connecting me to others (inspiration? results of meditation? answers? whatever it is called....), I&#039;m better equipped to make a positive impact. Donations to Red Cross/Oxfam/etc being a prime example of how I/we can build a positive connection to those suffering in Haiti. Or becoming more aware of the environment and taking better care of our earth so that future preventable disasters are averted (more along the lines of pollution and global warming, I&#039;m unsure of whether we can have any impact on earthquakes....). Or just slowing down enough to notice that my neighbor looks downtrodden and could use a friend - there are many small and large levels in which we are connected to others.

Anyhow, thanks for the tip on OxFam, I&#039;ve never heard of them before. And thanks for the thought-provoking post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post John, I remember reading it originally and liked it again this time around. I know we&#8217;ve talked about this before, but I agree with your &#8220;we&#8217;re all we&#8217;ve got&#8221; statement while also still believing in a higher power&#8230;.taking more of the viewpoint that we were created but are left to &#8220;figure this world out&#8221; on our own, and that we can&#8217;t &#8220;think&#8221; or &#8220;pray&#8221; ourselves into a better world or better situation. I&#8217;m rambling but my point is this &#8211; somehow humanity, which is beautiful and horrifying at the same time, is inter-connected with both visible and invisible threads.  Prayer to me is a time of quiet and meditation when I try to quiet my busy-body mind long enough to tap into that connectedness, with the outcome (hopefully) being that the threads currently invisble to me become more visible. In recognizing those threads connecting me to others (inspiration? results of meditation? answers? whatever it is called&#8230;.), I&#8217;m better equipped to make a positive impact. Donations to Red Cross/Oxfam/etc being a prime example of how I/we can build a positive connection to those suffering in Haiti. Or becoming more aware of the environment and taking better care of our earth so that future preventable disasters are averted (more along the lines of pollution and global warming, I&#8217;m unsure of whether we can have any impact on earthquakes&#8230;.). Or just slowing down enough to notice that my neighbor looks downtrodden and could use a friend &#8211; there are many small and large levels in which we are connected to others.</p>
<p>Anyhow, thanks for the tip on OxFam, I&#8217;ve never heard of them before. And thanks for the thought-provoking post.</p>
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		<title>By: xJane</title>
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		<dc:creator>xJane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this, John. I found out about the earthquake as my Facebook feed was flooded last night for people who were &quot;praying for Haiti&quot; or who &quot;knows God is acting in all things. May He bring help to those in Haiti&quot;. Thank you also for the links to Red Cross/Oxfam/&amp;c. and the reminder that prayers are nice but donations (or help) are better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this, John. I found out about the earthquake as my Facebook feed was flooded last night for people who were &#8220;praying for Haiti&#8221; or who &#8220;knows God is acting in all things. May He bring help to those in Haiti&#8221;. Thank you also for the links to Red Cross/Oxfam/&#038;c. and the reminder that prayers are nice but donations (or help) are better.</p>
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		<title>By: ECS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ECS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing this, John.  I love the story you gave at Sunstone.  I visited Port -au- Prince a few years ago, and even think I recognize the buildings in the second picture.   To your main point, the Problem of Evil is unexplainable in any kind of rational sense of the word without besmirching our image of God as a loving, kind, omnipotent Father.  If my father said nothing to alert me while I drove frantically around the neighborhood searching for my children who were locked in the trunk of my car, I&#039;d never speak to him again and he may even be prosecuted for negligent homicide.  

Something I love about Haitians is that they give a running commentary on life with clever proverbs and sayings.  One of my favorite sayings when something goes wrong is: &quot;Ala traka, Papa!&quot; Which loosely translated means: What a mess, Father!    But what matters now is to work together to alleviate the suffering in Haiti caused by this terrible earthquake - whether it is divinely-created or divinely-allowed - and to remember that Haiti is a fragile country and will need even more assistance in the years to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing this, John.  I love the story you gave at Sunstone.  I visited Port -au- Prince a few years ago, and even think I recognize the buildings in the second picture.   To your main point, the Problem of Evil is unexplainable in any kind of rational sense of the word without besmirching our image of God as a loving, kind, omnipotent Father.  If my father said nothing to alert me while I drove frantically around the neighborhood searching for my children who were locked in the trunk of my car, I&#8217;d never speak to him again and he may even be prosecuted for negligent homicide.  </p>
<p>Something I love about Haitians is that they give a running commentary on life with clever proverbs and sayings.  One of my favorite sayings when something goes wrong is: &#8220;Ala traka, Papa!&#8221; Which loosely translated means: What a mess, Father!    But what matters now is to work together to alleviate the suffering in Haiti caused by this terrible earthquake &#8211; whether it is divinely-created or divinely-allowed &#8211; and to remember that Haiti is a fragile country and will need even more assistance in the years to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Nakhleh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie Nakhleh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your original This I Believe essay, and today&#039;s blog post, are inspiring. I started a discussion group on Facebook called &quot;This I Believe&quot; after listening to the series on NPR for years. I, too, believe in the power of storytelling and relate completely with what you write here. I shared this blog entry on my Facebook wall and want to thank you for your thoughts, which so closely echo mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your original This I Believe essay, and today&#8217;s blog post, are inspiring. I started a discussion group on Facebook called &#8220;This I Believe&#8221; after listening to the series on NPR for years. I, too, believe in the power of storytelling and relate completely with what you write here. I shared this blog entry on my Facebook wall and want to thank you for your thoughts, which so closely echo mine.</p>
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