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	<title>Comments on: MoF Classic: OC Pilgrimage, Station 02: OC Friends Meeting.</title>
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		<title>By: Phoebe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoebe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember also The Women&#039;s Medical College of Pennsylvania founded by Quakers in 1850.  This was the first school in the US to offer women MD degrees.  Romania Bunnell Pratt, the first Utah woman to go east to study medicine earned her MD degree there in 1877.  Ellis Shipp and other female medical students from Utah followed in her footsteps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember also The Women&#8217;s Medical College of Pennsylvania founded by Quakers in 1850.  This was the first school in the US to offer women MD degrees.  Romania Bunnell Pratt, the first Utah woman to go east to study medicine earned her MD degree there in 1877.  Ellis Shipp and other female medical students from Utah followed in her footsteps.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attended the SLC (liberal, unprogrammed) Quaker meeting probably 10 months ago or so just once. I enjoyed it, and it was interesting, and if I had friends who attended I might possibly visit more frequently.

However, I&#039;ve found I just have no desire or need to have that sort of religions/congregational/spiritual experience anymore.  I&#039;m very happy being an atheist, and get my needs for social interaction met quite well in other ways.  

Furthermore, I like being able to sleep off my Sunday-morning hangovers. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended the SLC (liberal, unprogrammed) Quaker meeting probably 10 months ago or so just once. I enjoyed it, and it was interesting, and if I had friends who attended I might possibly visit more frequently.</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;ve found I just have no desire or need to have that sort of religions/congregational/spiritual experience anymore.  I&#8217;m very happy being an atheist, and get my needs for social interaction met quite well in other ways.  </p>
<p>Furthermore, I like being able to sleep off my Sunday-morning hangovers. <img src='http://www.mindonfire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mossie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mossie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Serendipity to read this now. I have recently started attending an unprogrammed meeting in Portland, and will likely become a member. Since leaving my &quot;goddess systers&quot; in Salt Lake City two years ago, with whom I&#039;d meet on the full or new moon for our eclectic paganish worship (and about whom I wrote my bachelor&#039;s thesis on marginal Mormon women who find a fit within goddess worship), I&#039;ve been missing spiritual community.

This past Sunday, during Meeting, I was thinking about how my brief but powerful experiences at Quaker meeting align with the parts of Mormonism I liked from my upbringing -  that my relationship with God was my own and that I was entitled to personal revelation, that all people have divinity potential within them. 

The stillness I experience in Meeting is the sort I envisioned when, as a little girl, I was taught to listen to the Still Small Voice. I never heard that stillness when distracted with the messages about my sinfulness and my indignation about my &quot;role&quot; as a female. Decades later, I found stillness within myself. And now, years later, I am finding a place to share that Stillness with others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serendipity to read this now. I have recently started attending an unprogrammed meeting in Portland, and will likely become a member. Since leaving my &#8220;goddess systers&#8221; in Salt Lake City two years ago, with whom I&#8217;d meet on the full or new moon for our eclectic paganish worship (and about whom I wrote my bachelor&#8217;s thesis on marginal Mormon women who find a fit within goddess worship), I&#8217;ve been missing spiritual community.</p>
<p>This past Sunday, during Meeting, I was thinking about how my brief but powerful experiences at Quaker meeting align with the parts of Mormonism I liked from my upbringing &#8211;  that my relationship with God was my own and that I was entitled to personal revelation, that all people have divinity potential within them. </p>
<p>The stillness I experience in Meeting is the sort I envisioned when, as a little girl, I was taught to listen to the Still Small Voice. I never heard that stillness when distracted with the messages about my sinfulness and my indignation about my &#8220;role&#8221; as a female. Decades later, I found stillness within myself. And now, years later, I am finding a place to share that Stillness with others.</p>
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		<title>By: Noli Irritare Leones &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A description of my Quaker meeting &#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noli Irritare Leones &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A description of my Quaker meeting &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] but not by me. A friend who came to our meeting from Mormonism reposts an account of his written 3.5 years ago, describing our meeting and how liberal Quakerism compares to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] but not by me. A friend who came to our meeting from Mormonism reposts an account of his written 3.5 years ago, describing our meeting and how liberal Quakerism compares to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shelly!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelly!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for reposting.  I hadn&#039;t joined the MoF world yet when it first ran.

Growing up my Mom used to take us to the local Friends Church on Mother&#039;s Day, and sometimes Easter and Father&#039;s Day.  Never a big fan of the LDS style of celebrating Mothers, I grew up having witnessed true celebrations of parenthood in one place, and role polarization in another.   With the Friends I loved that we were always embraced and welcomed - and that I didn&#039;t have to wear a dress.   I made wonderful friends who have stayed near me through life.

I am sure to some the whole &quot;dress&quot; issue is a non-issue.  But to me that whole attire part of Mormonism stands to separate men from women, and class from class.  We&#039;re taught to love one another and welcome one another, but, perhaps especially with women, you are judged on what you wear and how nicely your children look.  It has always been difficult for me to reconcile that social aspect with the spiritual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for reposting.  I hadn&#8217;t joined the MoF world yet when it first ran.</p>
<p>Growing up my Mom used to take us to the local Friends Church on Mother&#8217;s Day, and sometimes Easter and Father&#8217;s Day.  Never a big fan of the LDS style of celebrating Mothers, I grew up having witnessed true celebrations of parenthood in one place, and role polarization in another.   With the Friends I loved that we were always embraced and welcomed &#8211; and that I didn&#8217;t have to wear a dress.   I made wonderful friends who have stayed near me through life.</p>
<p>I am sure to some the whole &#8220;dress&#8221; issue is a non-issue.  But to me that whole attire part of Mormonism stands to separate men from women, and class from class.  We&#8217;re taught to love one another and welcome one another, but, perhaps especially with women, you are judged on what you wear and how nicely your children look.  It has always been difficult for me to reconcile that social aspect with the spiritual.</p>
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		<title>By: Chandelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chandelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for re-posting this.  Someday I need to read all of the old MoF posts from before I started reading!

I&#039;ve had some interest in the Quaker, uh.  Faith?  Religion?  Philosophy? Ideology?  (Same questions I have about Buddhism.)  I should have attended a Meeting when I had the chance, back in SLC.  There are no Quaker groups here, that I&#039;ve found.  I&#039;ve picked up some books at the library by Quaker authors or about Quakers, and I definitely like what I read - but at the same time, I tend to shy away from anything that claims Christian roots.  I assume that bitterness will dissipate over time, but for now, it&#039;s there.

There are several elements here that are foreign to me in coming from you, John, because I&#039;ve only read you for maybe the past 2 1/2 years and you&#039;ve evolved beyond this point.  For example, you mentioned &quot;the Spirit&quot; several times - and that &quot;Mormonism is family&quot; was a bit jarring.  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for re-posting this.  Someday I need to read all of the old MoF posts from before I started reading!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had some interest in the Quaker, uh.  Faith?  Religion?  Philosophy? Ideology?  (Same questions I have about Buddhism.)  I should have attended a Meeting when I had the chance, back in SLC.  There are no Quaker groups here, that I&#8217;ve found.  I&#8217;ve picked up some books at the library by Quaker authors or about Quakers, and I definitely like what I read &#8211; but at the same time, I tend to shy away from anything that claims Christian roots.  I assume that bitterness will dissipate over time, but for now, it&#8217;s there.</p>
<p>There are several elements here that are foreign to me in coming from you, John, because I&#8217;ve only read you for maybe the past 2 1/2 years and you&#8217;ve evolved beyond this point.  For example, you mentioned &#8220;the Spirit&#8221; several times &#8211; and that &#8220;Mormonism is family&#8221; was a bit jarring.  <img src='http://www.mindonfire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad that you reprinted this, John.  It brings back lovely memories of my first impressions of worship with Friends.  Noticing the gender balance and clothing were huge on my radar initially--because of the contrast with Mormonsim.  It&#039;s interesting how much less I notice them now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad that you reprinted this, John.  It brings back lovely memories of my first impressions of worship with Friends.  Noticing the gender balance and clothing were huge on my radar initially&#8211;because of the contrast with Mormonsim.  It&#8217;s interesting how much less I notice them now.</p>
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