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		<title>By: This Blog is Not for You (Unless it is for You). &#124; Mind on Fire</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2009/09/08/open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-24840</link>
		<dc:creator>This Blog is Not for You (Unless it is for You). &#124; Mind on Fire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 00:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sister Mary Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2009/09/08/open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-24812</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Mary Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m Lisa, mother of two, stepmom of one, and soon-to-be stepmom of three more.  I was Mormon my whole life until August of 2006, when I googled my way out of the church.  I started my blog to process my feelings and experiences because I had been married to a never-Mo man (so I understand being on the fringes of Mormon society quite well) for 12 years by then who didn&#039;t understand what I was going through and had no interest in discussing deep thoughts at all.  It took me about a month to stop attending church, and I haven&#039;t been back since.  I find life is so much more rich as I lead an authentic life and slowly shed the harmful aspects of Mormonism from my psyche.

When I started writing, I realized then for the first time that I had a voice, and people actually seemed genuinely interested in what I had to say.  Women who grow up Mormon aren&#039;t always free or experienced in expressing their thoughts and dreams and views.  It was heady and I have made many very good friends through the internet, many of whom I&#039;ve been lucky enough to meet in person.   I&#039;ve enjoyed debates and discussions online about the culture found within Mormonism and the effects Mormonism has on the lives of its members, and I hope to engage in the discussion here this weekend and in the future as well.  

My blog suffered a blow as I divorced my husband and navigated parenting plans and such.  I hope to blog about that soon, but lately I&#039;ve been distracted by my move to Texas from Montana to be with my fiance and best friend, Equality.  I am currently spending my free time creating art which I plan to sell.  It&#039;s been a dream of mine for decades to be a fine artist and I guess we&#039;ll see if I&#039;ve got what it takes!

I have lurked on this blog and Jana&#039;s over the past few years and have always been impressed by your style, grace, and eloquence.  I have been reading up on the posts regarding your letter that arrived on your anniversary and am about to read the most recent posts written since this one.  I&#039;m glad you&#039;re sharing this experience and it&#039;s fascinating to read the differing viewpoints being expressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m Lisa, mother of two, stepmom of one, and soon-to-be stepmom of three more.  I was Mormon my whole life until August of 2006, when I googled my way out of the church.  I started my blog to process my feelings and experiences because I had been married to a never-Mo man (so I understand being on the fringes of Mormon society quite well) for 12 years by then who didn&#8217;t understand what I was going through and had no interest in discussing deep thoughts at all.  It took me about a month to stop attending church, and I haven&#8217;t been back since.  I find life is so much more rich as I lead an authentic life and slowly shed the harmful aspects of Mormonism from my psyche.</p>
<p>When I started writing, I realized then for the first time that I had a voice, and people actually seemed genuinely interested in what I had to say.  Women who grow up Mormon aren&#8217;t always free or experienced in expressing their thoughts and dreams and views.  It was heady and I have made many very good friends through the internet, many of whom I&#8217;ve been lucky enough to meet in person.   I&#8217;ve enjoyed debates and discussions online about the culture found within Mormonism and the effects Mormonism has on the lives of its members, and I hope to engage in the discussion here this weekend and in the future as well.  </p>
<p>My blog suffered a blow as I divorced my husband and navigated parenting plans and such.  I hope to blog about that soon, but lately I&#8217;ve been distracted by my move to Texas from Montana to be with my fiance and best friend, Equality.  I am currently spending my free time creating art which I plan to sell.  It&#8217;s been a dream of mine for decades to be a fine artist and I guess we&#8217;ll see if I&#8217;ve got what it takes!</p>
<p>I have lurked on this blog and Jana&#8217;s over the past few years and have always been impressed by your style, grace, and eloquence.  I have been reading up on the posts regarding your letter that arrived on your anniversary and am about to read the most recent posts written since this one.  I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re sharing this experience and it&#8217;s fascinating to read the differing viewpoints being expressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Debra</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2009/09/08/open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-24695</link>
		<dc:creator>Debra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 04:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello John, 

I&#039;ve been reading you and Jana for maybe 2 years.  I have a grown daughter who is a cancer survivor and that&#039;s likely  how I found you two.  

I lived in Japan during my adolescence; it was a time of spiritual and cultural awakening for me.  My folks (and I) left the Catholic church during that period, presumably because there were no churches nearby.  I missed the ritual of the then-Latin Mass, but not the hyperbole, loved the purity of the Buddhist and Shinto sensibility. 

I&#039;m back to school reinventing myself as an art therapist, having been in high tech for many years here in Silicon Valley.  One area of interest for me as a therapist involves the psychology of spirituality, and healing the damage inflicted by organized religion.

I have a sense of connection with your family on several levels, and thank you for sharing yourselves, writing so elegantly about such timely topics.

Regards,
Deb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello John, </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been reading you and Jana for maybe 2 years.  I have a grown daughter who is a cancer survivor and that&#8217;s likely  how I found you two.  </p>
<p>I lived in Japan during my adolescence; it was a time of spiritual and cultural awakening for me.  My folks (and I) left the Catholic church during that period, presumably because there were no churches nearby.  I missed the ritual of the then-Latin Mass, but not the hyperbole, loved the purity of the Buddhist and Shinto sensibility. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m back to school reinventing myself as an art therapist, having been in high tech for many years here in Silicon Valley.  One area of interest for me as a therapist involves the psychology of spirituality, and healing the damage inflicted by organized religion.</p>
<p>I have a sense of connection with your family on several levels, and thank you for sharing yourselves, writing so elegantly about such timely topics.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Deb</p>
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		<title>By: In my Other Life I was a Mormon</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2009/09/08/open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-24686</link>
		<dc:creator>In my Other Life I was a Mormon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m Aggie, a former Mormon convert, married to Jeffrey, a former 5th generation Mormon who had the &quot;deluxe&quot; Mormon experience (mission, temple marriage, etc.) who now blogs about his experiences, along with a sprinkling of mine at &quot;In my other life I was a Mormon&quot; 
www.poinkie.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m Aggie, a former Mormon convert, married to Jeffrey, a former 5th generation Mormon who had the &#8220;deluxe&#8221; Mormon experience (mission, temple marriage, etc.) who now blogs about his experiences, along with a sprinkling of mine at &#8220;In my other life I was a Mormon&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.poinkie.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.poinkie.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Ann</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2009/09/08/open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-24617</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 06:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having discovered the Exponent (where I blog monthly) and your amazing wife Jana, MoF made it into my google reader early this summer.  I love your writing, both generally and in terms of exploring complex LDS and religious issues.  I have also become a fan of xJane in the process.

I am a 30-year old single scientist working in drug development who loves to spend time with my extended family, work on my house, travel, practice yoga, bike, read, and think about the complexities of religion. Although I have stepped away from the LDS church in terms of both my beliefs and practices recently, many people I know, regardless of background, would identify me as a Mormon given my adherence to the word of wisdom and my involvement in the church. I was raised in an active family, graduated from BYU twice, served a mission, have held numerous leadership callings, and was an ordinance worker until last summer when Prop8 toppled my testimony. 

For a variety of reasons, I find myself going back to church after &quot;hopping&quot; over the past year (going once a month) but am trying to be open about my frustrations and lack of faith in a variety of issues.  I recognize I am still very much on a journey.

I am more interested in being a good person and serving my community and living and loving life.  I blog under a pseudonymn given I am privileged to be named after one of the three unusually named women of the Book of Mormon and don&#039;t want to be found in an average Google search for professional reasons (although I don&#039;t consider my online identity a secret).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having discovered the Exponent (where I blog monthly) and your amazing wife Jana, MoF made it into my google reader early this summer.  I love your writing, both generally and in terms of exploring complex LDS and religious issues.  I have also become a fan of xJane in the process.</p>
<p>I am a 30-year old single scientist working in drug development who loves to spend time with my extended family, work on my house, travel, practice yoga, bike, read, and think about the complexities of religion. Although I have stepped away from the LDS church in terms of both my beliefs and practices recently, many people I know, regardless of background, would identify me as a Mormon given my adherence to the word of wisdom and my involvement in the church. I was raised in an active family, graduated from BYU twice, served a mission, have held numerous leadership callings, and was an ordinance worker until last summer when Prop8 toppled my testimony. </p>
<p>For a variety of reasons, I find myself going back to church after &#8220;hopping&#8221; over the past year (going once a month) but am trying to be open about my frustrations and lack of faith in a variety of issues.  I recognize I am still very much on a journey.</p>
<p>I am more interested in being a good person and serving my community and living and loving life.  I blog under a pseudonymn given I am privileged to be named after one of the three unusually named women of the Book of Mormon and don&#8217;t want to be found in an average Google search for professional reasons (although I don&#8217;t consider my online identity a secret).</p>
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		<title>By: Hellmut</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2009/09/08/open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-24584</link>
		<dc:creator>Hellmut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are very kind, Dana.  Thank you very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are very kind, Dana.  Thank you very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Dahl</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2009/09/08/open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-24542</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana Dahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 01:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s fine. I outed myself on Signing for Something and I think one of my brothers googled me and pretty soon I was getting communally shunned at the family reunions, so it&#039;s too late to worry about it now. Part of me wants to be more authentic anyway and a real name is about as authentic as you can get.

Someday i really would love to be as open with my own dear family as I have been online. I don&#039;t think they can handle such information though. 

So Helmut, I&#039;ve been reading your stuff on FLAK for a while. I posted there under whitendelightsome. I consider you fairly brilliant and among some of the best writers in the exmo community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s fine. I outed myself on Signing for Something and I think one of my brothers googled me and pretty soon I was getting communally shunned at the family reunions, so it&#8217;s too late to worry about it now. Part of me wants to be more authentic anyway and a real name is about as authentic as you can get.</p>
<p>Someday i really would love to be as open with my own dear family as I have been online. I don&#8217;t think they can handle such information though. </p>
<p>So Helmut, I&#8217;ve been reading your stuff on FLAK for a while. I posted there under whitendelightsome. I consider you fairly brilliant and among some of the best writers in the exmo community.</p>
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		<title>By: Hellmut</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2009/09/08/open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-24537</link>
		<dc:creator>Hellmut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about outing you, Dana.  I bet that John can delete our entries that mention your name, especially, if we ask nicely.  How would you feel about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about outing you, Dana.  I bet that John can delete our entries that mention your name, especially, if we ask nicely.  How would you feel about that?</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Dahl</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2009/09/08/open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-24535</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana Dahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 04:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hellmut (I&#039;ve been a fan of your writing for a long time). No, as far as I know none of my relatives live in the SW. 

I didn&#039;t think about my full name being used when i signed on here. Now that it&#039;s out there I guess I&#039;ll just take the chances and see what comes up.  Stalk me if you will but know that I have a Cocker Spaniel and know how to use her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hellmut (I&#8217;ve been a fan of your writing for a long time). No, as far as I know none of my relatives live in the SW. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t think about my full name being used when i signed on here. Now that it&#8217;s out there I guess I&#8217;ll just take the chances and see what comes up.  Stalk me if you will but know that I have a Cocker Spaniel and know how to use her.</p>
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		<title>By: Hellmut</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2009/09/08/open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-24534</link>
		<dc:creator>Hellmut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 03:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dana!  If it&#039;s not too personal, are you related to the Dahl&#039;s from Wells, Nevada?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dana!  If it&#8217;s not too personal, are you related to the Dahl&#8217;s from Wells, Nevada?</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Dahl</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2009/09/08/open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-24523</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana Dahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 23:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Folks, I&#039;m Dana. I came across this site accidentally two days ago and have been fascinated with the topics of conversation and entries here. I&#039;m new to the genre of blogging so will probably make plenty of greeny mistakes. 

My story can be found at Signing for Something and I am a moderator on an exmo discussion board.  Other than that I am an unemployed residential designer who misses the job and the money and the prestige and am bored out of my skull while I wait for the right thing to come along.  I have a garden, art, literature, hiking, etc. and three grandbabies but still miss my career. I was pretty good at it. Dang it.

Till then, I&#039;m dicking around on the net and found yet another place to blather and read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Folks, I&#8217;m Dana. I came across this site accidentally two days ago and have been fascinated with the topics of conversation and entries here. I&#8217;m new to the genre of blogging so will probably make plenty of greeny mistakes. </p>
<p>My story can be found at Signing for Something and I am a moderator on an exmo discussion board.  Other than that I am an unemployed residential designer who misses the job and the money and the prestige and am bored out of my skull while I wait for the right thing to come along.  I have a garden, art, literature, hiking, etc. and three grandbabies but still miss my career. I was pretty good at it. Dang it.</p>
<p>Till then, I&#8217;m dicking around on the net and found yet another place to blather and read.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2009/09/08/open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-24461</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is one of my favorite posts/threads of all time on this blog. You are an amazing, brilliant, compassionate, articulate, passionate and complex bunch. This may sound hyperbolic, but I&#039;m honored that you all even consider gracing this little corner of the web.

It&#039;s going to take me some time, but I&#039;m looking forward to clicking through and meeting those of you I haven&#039;t met yet. And some of you I haven&#039;t visited for a while (apologies), and I can&#039;t wait to come a-knockin&#039;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is one of my favorite posts/threads of all time on this blog. You are an amazing, brilliant, compassionate, articulate, passionate and complex bunch. This may sound hyperbolic, but I&#8217;m honored that you all even consider gracing this little corner of the web.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s going to take me some time, but I&#8217;m looking forward to clicking through and meeting those of you I haven&#8217;t met yet. And some of you I haven&#8217;t visited for a while (apologies), and I can&#8217;t wait to come a-knockin&#8217;!</p>
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		<title>By: rebecca</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2009/09/08/open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-24445</link>
		<dc:creator>rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh yeah, I am a wife (my husband is atheist), mother (my offspring are agnostic) and systems administrator for a non-profit org that promotes independent film makers, theatre and audiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh yeah, I am a wife (my husband is atheist), mother (my offspring are agnostic) and systems administrator for a non-profit org that promotes independent film makers, theatre and audiences.</p>
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		<title>By: rebecca</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2009/09/08/open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-24441</link>
		<dc:creator>rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was raised LDS (BIC). I left Mormonism before I was out of high school, in my head and heart. Completely when I was in my early 20&#039;s. Became an atheist, or maybe what my friend calls a laissez-faire agnostic. :)

I didn&#039;t think much about Mormonism for 20 or so years until one day I Googled Mormon, just to see what was on the internet. whoa. That began a renewed interest in studying Mormonism, which led to an interest in studying Christianity. Long-short of it, I eventually was baptized as Roman Catholic.

I never removed my name from the Mormon membership list. I didn&#039;t know it was an option until a few years ago, and now, I figure what&#039;s the point. I haven&#039;t considered myself Mormon for a very long time (decades). Someone told me that being baptized Catholic was grounds for a Mormon excommunication. I don&#039;t know if this is accurate but I think it would be more devastating to my still-Mormon family than it would be to me. (To me, not at all.)

God bless you on your journey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was raised LDS (BIC). I left Mormonism before I was out of high school, in my head and heart. Completely when I was in my early 20&#8242;s. Became an atheist, or maybe what my friend calls a laissez-faire agnostic. <img src='http://www.mindonfire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t think much about Mormonism for 20 or so years until one day I Googled Mormon, just to see what was on the internet. whoa. That began a renewed interest in studying Mormonism, which led to an interest in studying Christianity. Long-short of it, I eventually was baptized as Roman Catholic.</p>
<p>I never removed my name from the Mormon membership list. I didn&#8217;t know it was an option until a few years ago, and now, I figure what&#8217;s the point. I haven&#8217;t considered myself Mormon for a very long time (decades). Someone told me that being baptized Catholic was grounds for a Mormon excommunication. I don&#8217;t know if this is accurate but I think it would be more devastating to my still-Mormon family than it would be to me. (To me, not at all.)</p>
<p>God bless you on your journey.</p>
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		<title>By: Fully Caffeinated</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2009/09/08/open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-24439</link>
		<dc:creator>Fully Caffeinated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t want to be the wierd caffienated person offering your wife hugs so I&#039;m offering some info about me.  :-)

I&#039;m not going to give my name because it&#039;s distinctive and when you google it you will only find me.  My mom is very TBM and would be greatly distressed by my internet tendencies.  

I&#039;m a 37 yo SAHM with 4 children (3 girls and 1 boy).  I haven&#039;t attended an LDS meeting in 20 years.  My mom has high hopes to change this.  
 
I found your blog via an online forum I frequent and have been reading on and off ever since but haven&#039;t been big on commenting.  I just felt that this was a time that a little extra emotional support might be helpful for you and your wife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t want to be the wierd caffienated person offering your wife hugs so I&#8217;m offering some info about me.  <img src='http://www.mindonfire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to give my name because it&#8217;s distinctive and when you google it you will only find me.  My mom is very TBM and would be greatly distressed by my internet tendencies.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a 37 yo SAHM with 4 children (3 girls and 1 boy).  I haven&#8217;t attended an LDS meeting in 20 years.  My mom has high hopes to change this.  </p>
<p>I found your blog via an online forum I frequent and have been reading on and off ever since but haven&#8217;t been big on commenting.  I just felt that this was a time that a little extra emotional support might be helpful for you and your wife.</p>
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		<title>By: leisurelyviking</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2009/09/08/open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-24434</link>
		<dc:creator>leisurelyviking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that&#039;s a run-on sentence.  Oh, I&#039;m an ecology/evolutionary biology geek.  Forgot to say that.</description>
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		<title>By: leisurelyviking</title>
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		<dc:creator>leisurelyviking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m another Sarah.  I was raised Mormon and very serious about the church until I decided to call it quits about two years ago after I realized that none of my questions were going away, I took an institute church history class that gave me some glimpses of disturbing things, and decided I needed some serious prayer, for the first time accepting that the answer might be no.  I didn&#039;t get an answer, and concluded that if God existed,  he wanted to leave the decision up to me.
Now I no longer consider myself a member (though I&#039;m still on the books), live with my wonderful partner Chris, and drink plenty of delicious tea.  I went through a brief stint at the United Church of Christ where I met great people and slowly weaned myself off of church attendance.  I think the probability of God is rather low but am willing to change my mind if new evidence presents itself.  My parents are still getting used to me, but have gotten much more sensitive, to the point where my dad pulls me aside to ask if I&#039;m comfortable with saying blessings on the food, etc.  I passed my defense of my master&#039;s thesis last week and am job searching and moving to Seattle.  I found John&#039;s blog during an angry period (can&#039;t read too much church history or I&#039;m mad all day) and enjoyed his perspectives.  He and Jana seem like awesome people.  Mostly I lurk, but some posts pull me out into the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m another Sarah.  I was raised Mormon and very serious about the church until I decided to call it quits about two years ago after I realized that none of my questions were going away, I took an institute church history class that gave me some glimpses of disturbing things, and decided I needed some serious prayer, for the first time accepting that the answer might be no.  I didn&#8217;t get an answer, and concluded that if God existed,  he wanted to leave the decision up to me.<br />
Now I no longer consider myself a member (though I&#8217;m still on the books), live with my wonderful partner Chris, and drink plenty of delicious tea.  I went through a brief stint at the United Church of Christ where I met great people and slowly weaned myself off of church attendance.  I think the probability of God is rather low but am willing to change my mind if new evidence presents itself.  My parents are still getting used to me, but have gotten much more sensitive, to the point where my dad pulls me aside to ask if I&#8217;m comfortable with saying blessings on the food, etc.  I passed my defense of my master&#8217;s thesis last week and am job searching and moving to Seattle.  I found John&#8217;s blog during an angry period (can&#8217;t read too much church history or I&#8217;m mad all day) and enjoyed his perspectives.  He and Jana seem like awesome people.  Mostly I lurk, but some posts pull me out into the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2009/09/08/open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-24414</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m Steve. I do visual effects for movies and theme park attractions during the day and at night and on weekends I&#039;m a Dad. In my copious free time I&#039;ve been working on a Steampunk film; writing it, building props for it, and gathering a pretty talented crew for it. I like to write horror stories about zombies and ghosts. I&#039;ve been to all the Disney theme parks around the world. Heck. I&#039;ve been around the world. If I were a superhero, food would be my Kryptonite.

I was raised to ambiguously believe in god, but despite a few years in high school when I really wanted to have more friends and the local Presbyterian church provided them, it never really stuck. Of course, the next ten years took me on a path through all sorts of other religions and philosophical meanderings, but in then end, I&#039;m an atheist.

While I mostly lurk here, I love your insight and a lot of what you write about resonates, which is why I keep coming back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m Steve. I do visual effects for movies and theme park attractions during the day and at night and on weekends I&#8217;m a Dad. In my copious free time I&#8217;ve been working on a Steampunk film; writing it, building props for it, and gathering a pretty talented crew for it. I like to write horror stories about zombies and ghosts. I&#8217;ve been to all the Disney theme parks around the world. Heck. I&#8217;ve been around the world. If I were a superhero, food would be my Kryptonite.</p>
<p>I was raised to ambiguously believe in god, but despite a few years in high school when I really wanted to have more friends and the local Presbyterian church provided them, it never really stuck. Of course, the next ten years took me on a path through all sorts of other religions and philosophical meanderings, but in then end, I&#8217;m an atheist.</p>
<p>While I mostly lurk here, I love your insight and a lot of what you write about resonates, which is why I keep coming back.</p>
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		<title>By: Elissa Minor Rust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elissa Minor Rust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Late to this thread (great idea, BTW, John!).

I&#039;m Elissa, a college English instructor and fiction writer. Born and raised LDS, as was my husband. Both of us are from good old, plains-crossing pioneer stock. We met in junior high--he served a mission while I finished college and we married just before I started grad school and he finished college.

I was very active my entire life, but I can&#039;t remember a time when I did not harbor serious doubts or was not frustrated every week on Sunday. I was always able to talk myself out of that, or push it aside, with the help of a caring and similar mother and very understanding partner. 

What finally made me ready to break away and live my own truth was my father&#039;s diagnosis and subsequent death from brain cancer. I have a vivid memory of sitting next to his bedside in the ICU, this 54 year old man who was so vibrant and alive, and thinking: &quot;I can go at any minute. And I want to be authentic while I&#039;m here.&quot; I thought about all the inner turmoil I felt regarding the church, about the hours spent devoted to callings each week and the money gone toward tithing. And I decided to live the life I had secretly wanted to live since I was a child: as a person who did not believe. I turned to Quaker meetings and founds what I had been looking for for so long.

That was over four years ago. My husband left the church a year after I did. I found Jana&#039;s blog and felt strongly that I had found a kindred spirit who had walked a similar path as mine, and I found John&#039;s blog through hers. I&#039;ve never met them, but I feel I know them and have gained much inspiration and courage by watching them share their beliefs and journey so publicly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late to this thread (great idea, BTW, John!).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m Elissa, a college English instructor and fiction writer. Born and raised LDS, as was my husband. Both of us are from good old, plains-crossing pioneer stock. We met in junior high&#8211;he served a mission while I finished college and we married just before I started grad school and he finished college.</p>
<p>I was very active my entire life, but I can&#8217;t remember a time when I did not harbor serious doubts or was not frustrated every week on Sunday. I was always able to talk myself out of that, or push it aside, with the help of a caring and similar mother and very understanding partner. </p>
<p>What finally made me ready to break away and live my own truth was my father&#8217;s diagnosis and subsequent death from brain cancer. I have a vivid memory of sitting next to his bedside in the ICU, this 54 year old man who was so vibrant and alive, and thinking: &#8220;I can go at any minute. And I want to be authentic while I&#8217;m here.&#8221; I thought about all the inner turmoil I felt regarding the church, about the hours spent devoted to callings each week and the money gone toward tithing. And I decided to live the life I had secretly wanted to live since I was a child: as a person who did not believe. I turned to Quaker meetings and founds what I had been looking for for so long.</p>
<p>That was over four years ago. My husband left the church a year after I did. I found Jana&#8217;s blog and felt strongly that I had found a kindred spirit who had walked a similar path as mine, and I found John&#8217;s blog through hers. I&#8217;ve never met them, but I feel I know them and have gained much inspiration and courage by watching them share their beliefs and journey so publicly.</p>
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		<title>By: William Shunn</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Shunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I&#039;m Bill Shunn. I&#039;m a full-time &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shunn.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;science fiction writer&lt;/a&gt; in Chicago, Illinois.  I was born into the church and grew up mostly in Kaysville, Utah.  I left the church in 1995, not at all quietly, but that separation has never been, um, formalized.

I served a mission in Calgary, Alberta, from 1986 to 1987, then was transferred to Spokane, Washington, where I finished up, after a little &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shunn.net/accidental/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;brush with the law&lt;/a&gt;.  Having been a miserable missionary, I drifted away from the church in the years after my return.  In 1995, I moved to New York City and really started studying church history.  That&#039;s when I realized I was out for good.  This was, for me, a much easier step to take in New York than back home in Utah.  (I pretty much broke off contact with my family for a couple of years after that, though we&#039;ve long since reconciled and reached a detente on the topic.  It&#039;s helps that four of us out of eight siblings have left the church!  My poor parents haven&#039;t had a great batting average.)

But I was so exercised by what I learned in my studies that I started a web site to talk about it and my reasons for leaving.  It wasn&#039;t the first such site (I think &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.exmormon.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;exmormon.org&lt;/a&gt; holds that distinction), but it was right up there.  A fraction of that old material is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shunn.net/contents.html#religion&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;still available at my site&lt;/a&gt;, but most of it I retired early in this decade (though you still can &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19970101103151/http://rainfrog.com/bill/mormon.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;find&lt;/a&gt; that &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/20050403113833/http://www.shunn.net/mormon/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stuff&lt;/a&gt; in the Internet Archive, if you&#039;re curious).  The arguments it started were getting repetitive, and I just didn&#039;t have the same interest in continuing them.  My status as a recovering Mormon had become less and less relevant to my daily life, and it was time to move on.

I still write and comment about Mormonism from time to time, and I&#039;m shopping around a book about my missionary experiences, but John&#039;s is the onlyrelated site I visit with any frequency these days.  I admire his writing on the subject because he&#039;s far more compassionate and patient about it than I ever was!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#8217;m Bill Shunn. I&#8217;m a full-time <a href="http://www.shunn.net" rel="nofollow">science fiction writer</a> in Chicago, Illinois.  I was born into the church and grew up mostly in Kaysville, Utah.  I left the church in 1995, not at all quietly, but that separation has never been, um, formalized.</p>
<p>I served a mission in Calgary, Alberta, from 1986 to 1987, then was transferred to Spokane, Washington, where I finished up, after a little <a href="http://www.shunn.net/accidental/" rel="nofollow">brush with the law</a>.  Having been a miserable missionary, I drifted away from the church in the years after my return.  In 1995, I moved to New York City and really started studying church history.  That&#8217;s when I realized I was out for good.  This was, for me, a much easier step to take in New York than back home in Utah.  (I pretty much broke off contact with my family for a couple of years after that, though we&#8217;ve long since reconciled and reached a detente on the topic.  It&#8217;s helps that four of us out of eight siblings have left the church!  My poor parents haven&#8217;t had a great batting average.)</p>
<p>But I was so exercised by what I learned in my studies that I started a web site to talk about it and my reasons for leaving.  It wasn&#8217;t the first such site (I think <a href="http://www.exmormon.org/" rel="nofollow">exmormon.org</a> holds that distinction), but it was right up there.  A fraction of that old material is <a href="http://www.shunn.net/contents.html#religion" rel="nofollow">still available at my site</a>, but most of it I retired early in this decade (though you still can <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/19970101103151/http://rainfrog.com/bill/mormon.shtml" rel="nofollow">find</a> that <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20050403113833/http://www.shunn.net/mormon/" rel="nofollow">stuff</a> in the Internet Archive, if you&#8217;re curious).  The arguments it started were getting repetitive, and I just didn&#8217;t have the same interest in continuing them.  My status as a recovering Mormon had become less and less relevant to my daily life, and it was time to move on.</p>
<p>I still write and comment about Mormonism from time to time, and I&#8217;m shopping around a book about my missionary experiences, but John&#8217;s is the onlyrelated site I visit with any frequency these days.  I admire his writing on the subject because he&#8217;s far more compassionate and patient about it than I ever was!</p>
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