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Idealism, Pragmatism and the Relative Value of Animal Life.

Posted by John on July 20th, 2009 at 9:49 pm · 11 Comments

In response to my own feeble attempts at a vegetarian lifestyle, many of you have shared your views on eating. From these conversations, online and off, it occurs to me that there are two primary approaches to consumption:

  1. Individual morality.
  2. Consideration of impact.

The two are by no means exclusive, and most people seem to use some combination of the two. The first strikes me as idealistic, and the latter as essentially pragmatic. One is more concerned with the personal act, and the other with the ultimate outcome. Applying these categories to vegetarianism, the former may apply to people who are strict vegans or vegetarians, who see eating meat as their complicity in the needless taking of another life to sustain their own. The latter may include flexitarians who try to minimize meat-eating because they feel it is better for their health and for the environment.

I suspect that the latter will ultimately have the greater impact on the ultimate reduction of animal lives taken, though the pragmatists would probably not have the influence that they could without the leadership of the idealists. And I suspect that this is generally the case in history. I think that Marxism ultimately failed in Europe and North America because corporations gave in to many of the demands of the proletariat: a wide-range of labor laws and protections were enacted, labor unions became new power centers, and a social safety net was established by social-democratic governments. Not the ideal worker’s paradise, but a vast improvement on the unfettered capitalism of the white world in the 1800s. But none of these gains would’ve been possible without the hot-blooded visionaries. This is why I can forgive all the jet fuel Al Gore burned promoting an Inconvenient Truth. The ripple effect of his message compensates thousands of times for any moral transgression caused by his greatly enlarged carbon footprint.

I have strong idealistic and practical tendencies, but as I get older and more cynical, the pragmatist becomes more likely to win out. I mistrust dogmatism of any type, even my own (though I hold stubbornly to my pacifism, in the hope that some small gains will be made as history marches on). What am I afraid of? Getting burned again. Of swinging from one extreme to another. Of unintended consequences that defeat the very aims of my idealistic motives.

It’s funny and disturbing to me that I can’t approach something as simple as going vegetarian without diving deep into myself this way. As much as I’d like to draw the line in the sand that some of my friends and family have done, and say, “I will not consciously and willingly take an animal life to feed my own,” I see far too many exceptions. Sure, I’ve all but eliminated meat from my diet and I let wolf spiders on my desk live and I don’t eat even vegetarian fast food, but: I send my cats after tasty little critters. I eliminate fruit fly and boll weevil infestations in my home without hesitation or remorse. The painful deaths of countless small critters is a horrible price to pay for the huge drop in human infant mortality rate, the near eradication of certain horrible diseases, and progress on everything from heart and organ transplants to fighting cancer, but it’s one that I think I’m willing to pay if it saves the lives of more (human) children and reduces the number of excruciating (human) deaths. I’m willing to look into alternatives to those lab deaths, but if I’m convinced that it’s a zero-sum game, and it’s either a dozen rabbits or, say, my daughter, you can bet that I’m going to choose my child’s life. But fortunately or no, we rarely get to make those kinds of stark decisions.

So, this is the cynic in me. I believe that to some extent, my life is predicated on the deaths of others. Remember, I’m not arguing against vegetarianism–I’m moving in that direction myself. But as I embark on this path, I have to examine my fundamental assumptions and values with starkness and brutal honesty.

And by doing so publicly, I count on you to keep me brutally honest in my endeavors.

Tags: Environment · Humanism · Vegetarianism

11 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Chandelle // Jul 21, 2009 at 7:50 am

    I think you described my feelings quite perfectly, however idealistic and impractical I may appear.

  • 2 Elaine // Jul 21, 2009 at 9:47 am

    Sigh.

    I sometimes think that I’d like to be vegetarian. However, because of food allergies and other physical considerations (the huge difficulty my digestive systems has in digesting some veggies, and the physical problems it causes me being prime among them), I’d be left with about 10 things I could eat (perhaps an exaggeration, but not by much), which is not something I’m willing to live with if I don’t have to.

    Also, I like meat. Not every day, but on a regular basis. And I don’t think it makes me a bad person that I like and eat meat.

    Just looked at from a paleoanthropological point of view, as we came closer to being human, we ate more meat. This is not to say that we can’t dial that back to an extent, but I don’t think that, strictly as the organisms we are, we are meant to completely exclude meat from our diets.

    Just my opinion, not any sort of statement that those who feel moved to the vegetarian lifestyle shouldn’t pursue that. It would be a boring world if we were all alike.

  • 3 Helena // Jul 21, 2009 at 9:48 am

    Now that you praised me as “quiet” support I can out and speak up a little, I thought. I did want to write to you exactly on this, but firefox crashed and I lost it. I guess that means I have to do it publicly. I’m rambling…
    It goes without saying that I am happy and moved you have started to become more conscious of the choices in how to nurture yourself. It isn’t about labeling or titles deserved or not, but about you going your way, exploring it. There are many noble reasons to go Vegetarian. And nobody says you need to be dogmatic about it. I believe the number Jean Ziegler (UN Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food from 2000-2008) likes to use is, if only the U.S.A. ate 10% less meat, that could feed China and India. What I’m trying to say is that, if you say “that to some extent, my life is predicated on the deaths of others” then yes, but you want accumulate as little “bad Karma” as possible, or a balance that is good for you, right? You are on the way to find your way. And in my opinion, you are going in the right direction. How fast, and how, and by what means you want to go is entirely up to you.
    For my part I am glad that I have the opportunity of watching you traveling.

  • 4 ECS // Jul 21, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts here, John. After almost five months eating no animal products (except occasional honey), my commitment to this lifestyle is waning – and I feel really bad that I’d rather eat an ice cream cone from the ice cream truck at the park with my toddler than wait until I got home to eat orange sherbet or any number of animal-free substitutes for ice cream in my freezer.

    My family has been generally supportive, but it’s complicated being the only vegan (ish) person at the table at family dinners, on vacations where we have to eat out all the time, etc. Anyway, I’m not sure what I’ll do – I’ve been a vegetarian (i.e., eating eggs and dairy but no fish or other meat) since I was a teen, and I didn’t encounter the same kinds of limitations and instances of social awkwardness that I have in the past few months.

    But, if I go back to being a vegetarian, I feel like I’m compromising my principles out of a general sense of laziness and complacency. And I truly do believe that reducing any miniscule amount of animal cruelty by my not eating animal products is worth my personal discomfort. I guess I’m just struggling to figure out how much discomfort I’m willing to bear so that I don’t feel like a fraud. I’ll keep you posted :)

  • 5 Physiology PhD Mama // Jul 21, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    Another pragmatic thing to consider is that the life you save by not eating meet could be your own…

    “Up to 80% of bowel and breast cancer may be preventable by dietary change… Diet contributes to varying extent to the risk of many other cancers, including cancers of the lung, prostate, stomach, esophagus, and pancreas… Generally, fruit, vegetables, and fiber have a protective effect, whereas red and processed meat increase the risk of developing cancer.”
    Cummings JH, Bingham SA. Diet and the prevention of cancer. BMJ 1998;317:1636-1640

    OR more recently…

    “A vegetarian diet is associated with a lower risk of death from ischemic heart disease. Vegetarians also appear to have lower low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure, and lower rates of hypertension and type 2 diabetes than nonvegetarians.” http://www.eatright.org/cps/rde/xchg/ada/hs.xsl/advocacy_933_ENU_HTML.htm

    There is also various ethical arguments besides those you mention above. Learn more by reading “Vegan: The New Ethics of Eating” by Eric Marcus.

  • 6 Erin G. // Jul 21, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    I love this conversation — please keep it up!

  • 7 chosha // Jul 22, 2009 at 5:02 am

    If I ever become a true vegetarian, it will be for environmental reasons. I feel much more strongly about killing animals for fur fashion, or hunting purely for sport, or killing animals in inhumane ways than I do about the act of killing an animal itself. Without criticising anyone who is vegetarian for moral reasons, I’ve never been able to bring myself to care that humans kill animals for food, when animals themselves kill each other for food all the time, and it is considered the natural order of things.

  • 8 G // Jul 23, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    you let the spiders in your desk live?!?

    feeling horrible guilt now over all the one’s I’ve demolished simply because they were just too big and harry…

    as per vegetarian/vegan… I’ve tried being ideal and it almost always turns bad for me.

    I prefer practical cynicism. and cheese.

  • 9 angryyoungwoman // Jul 23, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    I’ve tried the vegetarian route many many times. My family and friends always make fun of me when I try, though, and I am weak. God I feel like such a wuss.

  • 10 xJane // Jul 24, 2009 at 12:56 am

    The Pagan morality in me says that killing other animals for my own health is completely moral, so long as it is done as necessary and with respect to the animals involved. I cannot say that most US butchers “respect” the animals, so maybe that means I should stop eating meat, but I think of this whenever I make chicken noodle soup. I buy a whole kosher organic chicken and boil it all; once the meat is cooked and I can easily remove it from the bones, I boil the bones some more, all the time thanking the chicken and asking that its health become my health (because I usually only do this when I’m sick or getting sick). I wish that all my encounters with food were like that—that I come face-to-face with the reality of the heart, gizzard, liver, and bones of the chicken breast I ate the day before. It makes it more real to me that what I am eating is flesh of another being—and it makes me more grateful for the sacrifice of that being. I feel like a lot more people would find it easier to give up some meat if they had to face that fact more often. Maybe we should all go back to hunting and skinning the meat we eat.

  • 11 G // Jul 24, 2009 at 8:53 am

    “Maybe we should all go back to hunting and skinning the meat we eat.”

    as someone who has killed and skinned an animal that became my meal, I totally second that motion.

    my main beef (HA!) with the way we consume meat in our culture is the absolute disconnect we have between the yummy meal on our plates (or even the nicely cleaned and prepped cuts of meat we buy in the market) and the living animal.

    logistically, going back to a hunter/farmer clutter, that’s not going to happen anytime soon. but a little more awareness appreciation would go a long way.

    (btw, xjane, always thrilled at the little ways you incorporate ritual into your daily life. just had to say.)

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