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		<title>By: xJane</title>
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		<dc:creator>xJane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 15:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks, again, for all the kind and supportive words. There was an &quot;open mic&quot; opportunity and I did consider using it to read this, but I must admit that cowardice won out. By that time, I had read at least two fawning eulogies and decided it would be best if I kept my head down. There were a few people who got up and said, &quot;I learned never to discuss politics with him,&quot; which was the truth, and one man to whom I will be ever grateful who talked about how Dad always knew more than you did and made sure you knew it.

It was a hard, long weekend (and when I came home, I got the flu) filled with reminders of all the things I didn&#039;t like about him—mostly his religious and political views—but there were some good memories, too.

There&#039;s a Reba McEntire song in which she says, &quot;I guess the world ain&#039;t gonna stop for my broken heart,&quot; that came to mind as our funeral train wound its way from one end of Seattle to the other. The world didn&#039;t stop for my grief, but half the city did (which some noted, would have made Dad happy), and that was something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks, again, for all the kind and supportive words. There was an &#8220;open mic&#8221; opportunity and I did consider using it to read this, but I must admit that cowardice won out. By that time, I had read at least two fawning eulogies and decided it would be best if I kept my head down. There were a few people who got up and said, &#8220;I learned never to discuss politics with him,&#8221; which was the truth, and one man to whom I will be ever grateful who talked about how Dad always knew more than you did and made sure you knew it.</p>
<p>It was a hard, long weekend (and when I came home, I got the flu) filled with reminders of all the things I didn&#8217;t like about him—mostly his religious and political views—but there were some good memories, too.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a Reba McEntire song in which she says, &#8220;I guess the world ain&#8217;t gonna stop for my broken heart,&#8221; that came to mind as our funeral train wound its way from one end of Seattle to the other. The world didn&#8217;t stop for my grief, but half the city did (which some noted, would have made Dad happy), and that was something.</p>
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		<title>By: chosha</title>
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		<dc:creator>chosha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truth is always better. Your eulogy is real and it&#039;s a better memory than a glossy version that everyone listening knows is bogus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truth is always better. Your eulogy is real and it&#8217;s a better memory than a glossy version that everyone listening knows is bogus.</p>
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		<title>By: EBrown</title>
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		<dc:creator>EBrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 00:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear xJane, I&#039;m sorry for your loss.  Whatever defined your relationship with your father and howevermuch your family is willing to deny the reality of that relationship, your love for your father is so clear and fine.  You&#039;re a wonderful testament to him.  Be well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear xJane, I&#8217;m sorry for your loss.  Whatever defined your relationship with your father and howevermuch your family is willing to deny the reality of that relationship, your love for your father is so clear and fine.  You&#8217;re a wonderful testament to him.  Be well.</p>
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		<title>By: xJane</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2009/05/22/speaker-for-the-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-23630</link>
		<dc:creator>xJane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 00:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>once again, many thanks to everyone. As I listen to the Eulogy (to be read at the funeral) and all the remembrances (that will be read tonight) that paint him as a man with no flaws, a patient, humble man (those are the two adjectives in particular that get used and make me snicker), I wonder who the hell these people met. Because it was not my father.

It also underscores the fact that I will not be able to read this, as I had hoped I might, after reading your responses to it. I am not looking forward to an evening of ego-stroking for a man who needed no encouragement in that direction and isn&#039;t even around anymore to be sucked up to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>once again, many thanks to everyone. As I listen to the Eulogy (to be read at the funeral) and all the remembrances (that will be read tonight) that paint him as a man with no flaws, a patient, humble man (those are the two adjectives in particular that get used and make me snicker), I wonder who the hell these people met. Because it was not my father.</p>
<p>It also underscores the fact that I will not be able to read this, as I had hoped I might, after reading your responses to it. I am not looking forward to an evening of ego-stroking for a man who needed no encouragement in that direction and isn&#8217;t even around anymore to be sucked up to.</p>
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		<title>By: aerin</title>
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		<dc:creator>aerin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 15:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My condolences as well xjane.  I think by being honest we honor those we have lost.  I can understand being respectful (especially to the still living) but not necessarily glossing over reality.  I too will send good thoughts your way (and your family&#039;s way).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My condolences as well xjane.  I think by being honest we honor those we have lost.  I can understand being respectful (especially to the still living) but not necessarily glossing over reality.  I too will send good thoughts your way (and your family&#8217;s way).</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry this comes so late; I&#039;ve been out of the loop (away from the internet) over the weekend, and yesterday was a catch-up day for work.

Be that as it may, that was beautiful.  I like the idea of a speaking rather than a fawning eulogy, and it was kind of what I had in mind when I planned my mother&#039;s services.

My father also had flaws; they were different from your father&#039;s, but flaws all the same.  But he was a good man, and he loved me and I loved him and I miss him today about as much as I did right after he died in 1977.  Even this weekend, while I was attending Baycon, there were so many things I saw and heard there that I wished I could share with him.

Because, yeah, he was a geek too...a pocket protector and a slide-rule were part of his work tools, and he is the one who instilled in me a love of all things science fiction.

I&#039;ve said this before, but I&#039;ll say it again: I&#039;m sorry for your loss, xJane, and I&#039;m thinking of you and your family as you deal with the big stuff and the little stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry this comes so late; I&#8217;ve been out of the loop (away from the internet) over the weekend, and yesterday was a catch-up day for work.</p>
<p>Be that as it may, that was beautiful.  I like the idea of a speaking rather than a fawning eulogy, and it was kind of what I had in mind when I planned my mother&#8217;s services.</p>
<p>My father also had flaws; they were different from your father&#8217;s, but flaws all the same.  But he was a good man, and he loved me and I loved him and I miss him today about as much as I did right after he died in 1977.  Even this weekend, while I was attending Baycon, there were so many things I saw and heard there that I wished I could share with him.</p>
<p>Because, yeah, he was a geek too&#8230;a pocket protector and a slide-rule were part of his work tools, and he is the one who instilled in me a love of all things science fiction.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said this before, but I&#8217;ll say it again: I&#8217;m sorry for your loss, xJane, and I&#8217;m thinking of you and your family as you deal with the big stuff and the little stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 16:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gah! I need to read our own blog more often...apologies for the late response.

That said, I don&#039;t have much to add. I love that you acknowledge your father&#039;s complexity and that you share your unique and personal connections to him, and I empathize with your loss. 

I hope you do get to read it. You&#039;re his daughter; you have every right to grieve in your way, and you might speak for as many people as you might offend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gah! I need to read our own blog more often&#8230;apologies for the late response.</p>
<p>That said, I don&#8217;t have much to add. I love that you acknowledge your father&#8217;s complexity and that you share your unique and personal connections to him, and I empathize with your loss. </p>
<p>I hope you do get to read it. You&#8217;re his daughter; you have every right to grieve in your way, and you might speak for as many people as you might offend.</p>
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		<title>By: xJane</title>
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		<dc:creator>xJane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 01:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you all for your wonderful and supportive comments.  You&#039;ve given me the courage to consider reading it for my family…although I&#039;ll get it vetted by people would will tell me how offended my mom and sisters would be if I did, so it may not happen :-p

I like the theme of many of the comments here, that relationships are not all good all the time and that this makes them real. People and their relationships are complex and denying this is the real tragedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you all for your wonderful and supportive comments.  You&#8217;ve given me the courage to consider reading it for my family…although I&#8217;ll get it vetted by people would will tell me how offended my mom and sisters would be if I did, so it may not happen :-p</p>
<p>I like the theme of many of the comments here, that relationships are not all good all the time and that this makes them real. People and their relationships are complex and denying this is the real tragedy.</p>
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		<title>By: Lessie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lessie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 03:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>xJane, I relate so much to the different emotions you&#039;ve written here. I had similar conflicting memories of my mother. Some of which I&#039;ve outlined on my blog. But anyway, I wish as well that we were free to acknowledge the conflicting aspects of people&#039;s lives.

Anyway, my thoughts are with you. Thank you for sharing with us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>xJane, I relate so much to the different emotions you&#8217;ve written here. I had similar conflicting memories of my mother. Some of which I&#8217;ve outlined on my blog. But anyway, I wish as well that we were free to acknowledge the conflicting aspects of people&#8217;s lives.</p>
<p>Anyway, my thoughts are with you. Thank you for sharing with us.</p>
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		<title>By: angryyoungwoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>angryyoungwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 21:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really beautiful.  I&#039;m glad you can see your relationship with your father so well.  I am glad that you can love him without always agreeing with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really beautiful.  I&#8217;m glad you can see your relationship with your father so well.  I am glad that you can love him without always agreeing with him.</p>
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		<title>By: Elise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 18:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the way you describe some negative things about your relationship with your father while still maintaining and overall positive feel. I guess even the best relationships have some negative aspects, so leaving that stuff out in remembrances doesn&#039;t make sense. The negative feels just as endearing and even more human than the positive.

I hate the though of losing my parents. They are both still young enough that I exist in that naive state of subconsciously beliving they will be around forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the way you describe some negative things about your relationship with your father while still maintaining and overall positive feel. I guess even the best relationships have some negative aspects, so leaving that stuff out in remembrances doesn&#8217;t make sense. The negative feels just as endearing and even more human than the positive.</p>
<p>I hate the though of losing my parents. They are both still young enough that I exist in that naive state of subconsciously beliving they will be around forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Jana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 03:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My father was a geek, too.  And Leonard Nimoy has always reminded me of him.  Thank you for reminding me of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father was a geek, too.  And Leonard Nimoy has always reminded me of him.  Thank you for reminding me of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 00:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know you, but this post is part of the reason I love this blog.  People are complex, multifaceted, and eulogies should reflect the complicated beings we are.

Thanks for this beautiful remembrance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know you, but this post is part of the reason I love this blog.  People are complex, multifaceted, and eulogies should reflect the complicated beings we are.</p>
<p>Thanks for this beautiful remembrance.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 18:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you do get a chance to share this at his funeral.  but even if not, thank you for sharing it here.  it is potent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you do get a chance to share this at his funeral.  but even if not, thank you for sharing it here.  it is potent.</p>
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		<title>By: EBrown</title>
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		<dc:creator>EBrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 18:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you get to say this to your father (if he is still living) and to your family.  As a parent, I would find it amazing that a child loved me as much as you love your father, as these words so clearly convey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you get to say this to your father (if he is still living) and to your family.  As a parent, I would find it amazing that a child loved me as much as you love your father, as these words so clearly convey.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 17:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was beautiful.  

I also dislike fawning eulogies.  If more were like this, I think it would be a more meaningful experience for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was beautiful.  </p>
<p>I also dislike fawning eulogies.  If more were like this, I think it would be a more meaningful experience for all.</p>
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