Comments on: A Belated Celebration of National Coming Out Day.

By: xJane

xJane — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:55:22 +0000

After having read Sean's and Craig's posts, I want to repost this: a point-by-point breakdown of the arguments for Prop 8 in a very logical and unemotional fashion. Also, here is more proof that marriage is more than just "domestic partnership": in NY, a gay person's first "heir" is not their spouse but their parents. It's a little dense, but essentially, a married person's first heir is their spouse (followed by their children and then their parents). Without the full rights of marriage, the spouse essentially gets nothing if there is no explicit will (and the parents get the right to contest the will if there is one).

By: xJane

xJane — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:29:15 +0000

I’m also sorry to have missed NCOD, but posted “loves DH & the fact that they’re married. She does not want that happiness denied anyone simply on the basis of sexual orientation.” on Facebook on that day

By: Craig

Craig — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:37:06 +0000

John,
Thank you. I have the deepest respect for you, your wife, xJane, and others here who truly know what equality is and why it is so important.

Thanks for being an ally to equal rights. We need more people like you. GLBT people are vastly outnumbered in the entire world. If we are really going to be treated as equals, we need people like you to stand with us.

Thanks for making this blog a place where I feel accepted, comfortable and most of all safe. That’s not always the case. I am so incredibly moved by the support I’ve experienced from people like you.

So thanks. You have no idea, no concept of how much this means to me, to all of us who are oppressed, “suboptimal”, and constantly degraded by “friends” and family (though maybe you do – leaving the church is a lot like coming out as gay to many mormons).

Know that you are making a huge contribution to changing our society to make it safer, fairer, more honest, and more filled with love.

Thanks.

By: Sean

Sean — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 05:43:28 +0000

Thanks for the link and the mention! And thanks for being an ally. There’s been a lot of progress in The Great Gay Agenda–er, Cause, to the point where overt homophobia is a lot less acceptable in our society than it once was. But covert homophobia and crypto-homophobia are alive and well, undergirded as they are by a set of antiquated and confining gender roles that do no one any favors. Given that covert racism and crypto-racism are also quite present in society, despite decades of re-education and awareness-raising, it may be a while before our fight is over.

Eric’s is a devastating argument indeed, and I hope it convinces at least one open-minded person who was on fence about gay marriage. Unfortunately, I don’t think the leaders of the Mormon church have open minds on this issue. They are intelligent men, so they must realize that their arguments in support of Prop 8 are fallacious, mendacious and condescending, but this hasn’t stopped them from spreading the lies anyway. Frankly, it makes me mad and sick.