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	<title>Comments on: Prop 8 on Campus 2.0</title>
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		<title>By: laura kanter</title>
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		<dc:creator>laura kanter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And there was one person sitting in front of me who seemed disgusted.&quot; Might have been me. Disgusted and terrified. Thanks for the synopsis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And there was one person sitting in front of me who seemed disgusted.&#8221; Might have been me. Disgusted and terrified. Thanks for the synopsis.</p>
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		<title>By: Quin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing how thinly they veil the real cause -- &quot;The prophet told us so. It must be true.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing how thinly they veil the real cause &#8212; &#8220;The prophet told us so. It must be true.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sunday in Outer Blogness: Prop. 8 Edition! &#124; Main Street Plaza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunday in Outer Blogness: Prop. 8 Edition! &#124; Main Street Plaza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 06:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] offers an amusing video about protecting marriage. X-Jane describes a campus lecture she attended on the subject of Proposition 8. And (not exactly prop 8, but close), [...]</description>
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		<title>By: xJane</title>
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		<dc:creator>xJane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John: I don&#039;t know if they mentioned that specifically. Starr did some LDS ego-stroking (&quot;I am not now nor have I ever been...but I love these guys! They&#039;re teh awesome!&quot;) And there was some vague &quot;J. Reuben Clark is a cool guy who is sort of associated with the LDS church&quot; but no real &quot;we&#039;re Mormon! Repre&lt;i&gt;sent!&lt;/i&gt;&quot; that I could discern. I think the LDS present were quite conscious of the fact that they were in &quot;foreign&quot; territory.

Sean: absolutely. The people I saw there were there to be assured that they were right, not to participate in a dialogue or be convinced. People in my class today were talking about it &amp; they&#039;re people I already know are in support of it—I did hear from a classmate who I know is against it tell me that he left early because he couldn&#039;t stand it. And there was one person sitting in front of me who seemed disgusted. Some even brought their families, which kinda weirded me out. It was during our lunch/convocation hour—so sandwiched between classes, but lo, there were spouses and babies in the audience. Good thing those kiddos were exposed to it—who knows which way they might have voted otherwise!

I&#039;m reading his paper right now (for those with access to LexisNexis, WestLaw, or BYU&#039;s Law Review, the citation is 2005 B.Y.U.L. Rev. 555)—I&#039;m a good 15 pages in &amp; still no definition of what other social goods &quot;man-woman&quot; marriage supposedly provides. He&#039;s been repeating himself himself for a while now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John: I don&#8217;t know if they mentioned that specifically. Starr did some LDS ego-stroking (&#8220;I am not now nor have I ever been&#8230;but I love these guys! They&#8217;re teh awesome!&#8221;) And there was some vague &#8220;J. Reuben Clark is a cool guy who is sort of associated with the LDS church&#8221; but no real &#8220;we&#8217;re Mormon! Repre<i>sent!</i>&#8221; that I could discern. I think the LDS present were quite conscious of the fact that they were in &#8220;foreign&#8221; territory.</p>
<p>Sean: absolutely. The people I saw there were there to be assured that they were right, not to participate in a dialogue or be convinced. People in my class today were talking about it &#038; they&#8217;re people I already know are in support of it—I did hear from a classmate who I know is against it tell me that he left early because he couldn&#8217;t stand it. And there was one person sitting in front of me who seemed disgusted. Some even brought their families, which kinda weirded me out. It was during our lunch/convocation hour—so sandwiched between classes, but lo, there were spouses and babies in the audience. Good thing those kiddos were exposed to it—who knows which way they might have voted otherwise!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reading his paper right now (for those with access to LexisNexis, WestLaw, or BYU&#8217;s Law Review, the citation is 2005 B.Y.U.L. Rev. 555)—I&#8217;m a good 15 pages in &#038; still no definition of what other social goods &#8220;man-woman&#8221; marriage supposedly provides. He&#8217;s been repeating himself himself for a while now.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/10/14/prop-8-on-campus-2point0/comment-page-1/#comment-21532</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>xJane, do you think the audience was receptive to his arguments? No matter how he prefaced his remarks, that sounds like the kind of speech you&#039;d make to supporters of your position, not to a hostile crowd. Which makes it even creepier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>xJane, do you think the audience was receptive to his arguments? No matter how he prefaced his remarks, that sounds like the kind of speech you&#8217;d make to supporters of your position, not to a hostile crowd. Which makes it even creepier.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did they mention that J. Reuben Clark was a member of the LDS Church&#039;s ruling first presidency for many years?  In fact, he was probably one of the most powerful and influential administrative figures in 20th century Mormonism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did they mention that J. Reuben Clark was a member of the LDS Church&#8217;s ruling first presidency for many years?  In fact, he was probably one of the most powerful and influential administrative figures in 20th century Mormonism.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s creepy as all get out.  Propaganda to the max.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s creepy as all get out.  Propaganda to the max.</p>
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