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		<title>By: ebrown</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/27/biden-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-20593</link>
		<dc:creator>ebrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I vote.  I volunteer with my party and for my candidates. I donate to candidates and issues.

I refuse to take the position that I&#039;m too virtuous to be involved.  The view that the system is corrupt and therefore one should simply stay on the sidelines and sneer or weep is the kind of passivity that corporatism encourages and which is so destructive to democracy.  

If you don&#039;t like the news, go out and make some of your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vote.  I volunteer with my party and for my candidates. I donate to candidates and issues.</p>
<p>I refuse to take the position that I&#8217;m too virtuous to be involved.  The view that the system is corrupt and therefore one should simply stay on the sidelines and sneer or weep is the kind of passivity that corporatism encourages and which is so destructive to democracy.  </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like the news, go out and make some of your own.</p>
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		<title>By: xJane</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/27/biden-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-20592</link>
		<dc:creator>xJane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CL: that&#039;s good to know; I&#039;ve thought about reading &lt;i&gt;Audacity&lt;/i&gt; but never ended up doing so. In the beginning, he gave me faith and hope in the system (which, yes, Chandelle, is corrupt) and that was the major reason that I was excited to vote for him. More recently, I feel like he&#039;s stopped being so outspoken on the issues that I felt he was so courageous in speaking loudly about in the past.

Perhaps I&#039;m wrong and it&#039;s merely media coverage on the media I listen to that has changed. I would really enjoy being hopeful again.

Chandelle: I find the democrats to be barely less conservative than republicans. I&#039;m a registered Green.

Craig: &lt;a href=&quot;http://community.feministing.com/2008/08/i-cant-vote.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this came up at Feministing&lt;/a&gt; recently and it&#039;s a sticky issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CL: that&#8217;s good to know; I&#8217;ve thought about reading <i>Audacity</i> but never ended up doing so. In the beginning, he gave me faith and hope in the system (which, yes, Chandelle, is corrupt) and that was the major reason that I was excited to vote for him. More recently, I feel like he&#8217;s stopped being so outspoken on the issues that I felt he was so courageous in speaking loudly about in the past.</p>
<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m wrong and it&#8217;s merely media coverage on the media I listen to that has changed. I would really enjoy being hopeful again.</p>
<p>Chandelle: I find the democrats to be barely less conservative than republicans. I&#8217;m a registered Green.</p>
<p>Craig: <a href="http://community.feministing.com/2008/08/i-cant-vote.html" rel="nofollow">this came up at Feministing</a> recently and it&#8217;s a sticky issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I could vote.  I think the fact that I pay taxes and am other wise treated as a citizen except when it comes to vote is unfair.  Plus, getting citizenship is wicked expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could vote.  I think the fact that I pay taxes and am other wise treated as a citizen except when it comes to vote is unfair.  Plus, getting citizenship is wicked expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Chandelle</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/27/biden-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-20587</link>
		<dc:creator>Chandelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait - what party are you breaking with to vote for Obama?

I probably won&#039;t be voting.  I want a &quot;None of the above&quot; option.  I refuse to vote for a lesser evil and support a system that I believe to be 100% corrupt and broken.  I guess that makes me a bad citizen.  Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait &#8211; what party are you breaking with to vote for Obama?</p>
<p>I probably won&#8217;t be voting.  I want a &#8220;None of the above&#8221; option.  I refuse to vote for a lesser evil and support a system that I believe to be 100% corrupt and broken.  I guess that makes me a bad citizen.  Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: C. L. Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/27/biden-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-20586</link>
		<dc:creator>C. L. Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hadn&#039;t been following the possible vp choices closely enough to have a strong opinion on this one, but I like the assessment of a friend of mine on a symbolic point:

The fact that he was so quick to help make amends after Biden&#039;s questionable racial remarks demonstrates that Obama is not about condemning people for not already being enlightened about race. Rather, he understands deeply that overcoming prejudice and stereotypes about the &quot;other&quot; is an extremely difficult task for all of us across the board, and we need to come together to work on it.

Additionally, rather than focusing on the usual media show/circus, I would recommend reading Obama&#039;s books. I&#039;m very unhappy with some of the politics that have gone down in the past month or so, but I&#039;ve read &lt;i&gt;The Audacity of Hope&lt;/i&gt;, and I&#039;m almost done with &lt;i&gt;Dreams from My Father&lt;/i&gt;, and I&#039;m very impressed.  I trust him as a leader.

This man is brilliant. And I don&#039;t mean in a &quot;let me tell you how I know all the right answers&quot; kind of way, but rather in an &quot;I understand how complex these problems are and I&#039;m going to do everything to open my eyes and ears and brain to understand&quot; kind of way. It&#039;s not just hype. I&#039;ve traditionally been a third-party voter, but I&#039;ve never seen a candidate in any party I&#039;m more excited to vote for than this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t been following the possible vp choices closely enough to have a strong opinion on this one, but I like the assessment of a friend of mine on a symbolic point:</p>
<p>The fact that he was so quick to help make amends after Biden&#8217;s questionable racial remarks demonstrates that Obama is not about condemning people for not already being enlightened about race. Rather, he understands deeply that overcoming prejudice and stereotypes about the &#8220;other&#8221; is an extremely difficult task for all of us across the board, and we need to come together to work on it.</p>
<p>Additionally, rather than focusing on the usual media show/circus, I would recommend reading Obama&#8217;s books. I&#8217;m very unhappy with some of the politics that have gone down in the past month or so, but I&#8217;ve read <i>The Audacity of Hope</i>, and I&#8217;m almost done with <i>Dreams from My Father</i>, and I&#8217;m very impressed.  I trust him as a leader.</p>
<p>This man is brilliant. And I don&#8217;t mean in a &#8220;let me tell you how I know all the right answers&#8221; kind of way, but rather in an &#8220;I understand how complex these problems are and I&#8217;m going to do everything to open my eyes and ears and brain to understand&#8221; kind of way. It&#8217;s not just hype. I&#8217;ve traditionally been a third-party voter, but I&#8217;ve never seen a candidate in any party I&#8217;m more excited to vote for than this one.</p>
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		<title>By: ebrown</title>
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		<dc:creator>ebrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Surplus is the amount Bush inherited, which he blew through during his first year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Surplus is the amount Bush inherited, which he blew through during his first year.</p>
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		<title>By: ebrown</title>
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		<dc:creator>ebrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barack Obama has been remarkably consistent in his political views.  He continues to call for the end of the war in Iraq. 

“Here is the truth: fighting a war without end will not force the Iraqis to take responsibility for their own future. And fighting in a war without end will not make the American people safer.

So when I am Commander-in-Chief, I will set a new goal on day one: I will end this war. Not because politics compels it. Not because our troops cannot bear the burden- as heavy as it is. But because it is the right thing to do for our national security, and it will ultimately make us safer.”

His stance on women&#039;s includes being pro-choice, in favor of equal pay for equal work, fighting gender violence, and fighting poverty for women and children, who are the largest percentage of the poor in the USA.  He supports health care for all those who want it (on that issue, I think most Democrats are doing a bit of hedging and not calling for single-payer health care).

I feel positive about this ticket.  If Obama-Biden would  inherit a 555 billion surplus instead of a 9.5 TRILLION deficit they would be able to accomplish so much more.  As it is, they will have to spend a lot of time just cleaning up the mess.  And I think they can do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barack Obama has been remarkably consistent in his political views.  He continues to call for the end of the war in Iraq. </p>
<p>“Here is the truth: fighting a war without end will not force the Iraqis to take responsibility for their own future. And fighting in a war without end will not make the American people safer.</p>
<p>So when I am Commander-in-Chief, I will set a new goal on day one: I will end this war. Not because politics compels it. Not because our troops cannot bear the burden- as heavy as it is. But because it is the right thing to do for our national security, and it will ultimately make us safer.”</p>
<p>His stance on women&#8217;s includes being pro-choice, in favor of equal pay for equal work, fighting gender violence, and fighting poverty for women and children, who are the largest percentage of the poor in the USA.  He supports health care for all those who want it (on that issue, I think most Democrats are doing a bit of hedging and not calling for single-payer health care).</p>
<p>I feel positive about this ticket.  If Obama-Biden would  inherit a 555 billion surplus instead of a 9.5 TRILLION deficit they would be able to accomplish so much more.  As it is, they will have to spend a lot of time just cleaning up the mess.  And I think they can do it.</p>
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		<title>By: xJane</title>
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		<dc:creator>xJane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sure hope so, leisurelyviking (awesome name, btw!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure hope so, leisurelyviking (awesome name, btw!)</p>
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		<title>By: leisurelyviking</title>
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		<dc:creator>leisurelyviking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid after taking a political science minor, this seems completely normal.  After securing his party&#039;s nomination, Obama&#039;s trying to make his stance appeal more to conservatives  because he needs 51% of the vote to win and he can assume now that his party stands with him.  If he&#039;s elected, I expect his stance will return closer to what it was previously.  This happens in every presidential election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid after taking a political science minor, this seems completely normal.  After securing his party&#8217;s nomination, Obama&#8217;s trying to make his stance appeal more to conservatives  because he needs 51% of the vote to win and he can assume now that his party stands with him.  If he&#8217;s elected, I expect his stance will return closer to what it was previously.  This happens in every presidential election.</p>
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		<title>By: Cobwebs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cobwebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband the political junkie was thrilled when Biden was chosen, so I think he&#039;s probably okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband the political junkie was thrilled when Biden was chosen, so I think he&#8217;s probably okay.</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/27/biden-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-20567</link>
		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NPR problems?  Try thin.npr.org .  NPR any time.  On a Windows Mobile PDA or a computer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NPR problems?  Try thin.npr.org .  NPR any time.  On a Windows Mobile PDA or a computer.</p>
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