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	<title>Comments on: Olympic Porn</title>
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		<title>By: krp</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/19/olympic-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-22107</link>
		<dc:creator>krp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Society does have a double standard -- it is &quot;permissible/acceptable&quot; to see outlines of nipples and labias but not penises and scrotums.  What is the aversion to the male form?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Society does have a double standard &#8212; it is &#8220;permissible/acceptable&#8221; to see outlines of nipples and labias but not penises and scrotums.  What is the aversion to the male form?</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 06:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just curious -- have ANY female beach v-ball players ever lodged a complaint about the dress code?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just curious &#8212; have ANY female beach v-ball players ever lodged a complaint about the dress code?</p>
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		<title>By: xJane</title>
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		<dc:creator>xJane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A man doesn’t throw himself hard onto the ground in a Speedo for the same reason he doesn’t straddle a balance beam.&lt;/blockquote&gt;My point is that women have similar anatomical/wardrobe issues that we just buck up about because it&#039;s so expected that we do things in certain garb. I must admit that, while I do know what cups are, I don&#039;t often come into contact with them (my husband wears a jock strap in judo, not because of strikes but because when he falls, it helps keep everything from flapping around). I&#039;m not sure if you were, therefore, being serious or facetious about wearing cups + speedos. I&#039;m sure they do nothing for aerodynamics.

Also? Totally with you about gymnastics. That one&#039;s even creepier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A man doesn’t throw himself hard onto the ground in a Speedo for the same reason he doesn’t straddle a balance beam.</p></blockquote>
<p>My point is that women have similar anatomical/wardrobe issues that we just buck up about because it&#8217;s so expected that we do things in certain garb. I must admit that, while I do know what cups are, I don&#8217;t often come into contact with them (my husband wears a jock strap in judo, not because of strikes but because when he falls, it helps keep everything from flapping around). I&#8217;m not sure if you were, therefore, being serious or facetious about wearing cups + speedos. I&#8217;m sure they do nothing for aerodynamics.</p>
<p>Also? Totally with you about gymnastics. That one&#8217;s even creepier.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do know what a &quot;cup&quot; is? And how hilarious a man would look wearing a cup and a Speedo at the same time? But seriously, men face a two-edged sword in this department: either fix their equipment in one place and try to pad it (a cup), or utilize what evolution designed to reduce excruciating pain--which requires that things move about. A man doesn&#039;t throw himself hard onto the ground in a Speedo for the same reason he doesn&#039;t straddle a balance beam.

Fair&#039;s fair,and I&#039;d have no objection to the men playing topless. But hey, there&#039;s always diving. They wear skimpy little Speedos. And back before the LZR, the swimmers did too. Check out some archival Mark Spitz footage.

Beach volleyball may be the only women&#039;s sport that successfully appeals to the beer-chugging male demographic. It has a pro circuit, so it&#039;s not as if the competitors are being dragged into the arena kicking and screaming. More like they running into the arena thinking &quot;big endorsement contract.&quot; Otherwise, it&#039;s not men watching all the synchronized pixies-in-tight-uniforms sports, including the most pornorific fake sport of them all--rhythmic gymnastics.

Incidentally, I was googling about and chanced upon the &quot;Women&#039;s Sports Foundation (founded by Billie Jean King).&quot; There on the front page: women&#039;s beach volleyball! With pictures!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do know what a &#8220;cup&#8221; is? And how hilarious a man would look wearing a cup and a Speedo at the same time? But seriously, men face a two-edged sword in this department: either fix their equipment in one place and try to pad it (a cup), or utilize what evolution designed to reduce excruciating pain&#8211;which requires that things move about. A man doesn&#8217;t throw himself hard onto the ground in a Speedo for the same reason he doesn&#8217;t straddle a balance beam.</p>
<p>Fair&#8217;s fair,and I&#8217;d have no objection to the men playing topless. But hey, there&#8217;s always diving. They wear skimpy little Speedos. And back before the LZR, the swimmers did too. Check out some archival Mark Spitz footage.</p>
<p>Beach volleyball may be the only women&#8217;s sport that successfully appeals to the beer-chugging male demographic. It has a pro circuit, so it&#8217;s not as if the competitors are being dragged into the arena kicking and screaming. More like they running into the arena thinking &#8220;big endorsement contract.&#8221; Otherwise, it&#8217;s not men watching all the synchronized pixies-in-tight-uniforms sports, including the most pornorific fake sport of them all&#8211;rhythmic gymnastics.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I was googling about and chanced upon the &#8220;Women&#8217;s Sports Foundation (founded by Billie Jean King).&#8221; There on the front page: women&#8217;s beach volleyball! With pictures!</p>
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		<title>By: xJane</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/19/olympic-porn/comment-page-1/#comment-20327</link>
		<dc:creator>xJane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93807898&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Some of NPR&#039;s listeners agree with me&lt;/a&gt;.

Eugene: why are speedos TV-unfriendly but nipple-showing bikinis aren&#039;t? Oh, that&#039;s right, porn is for men, not women. I forget that men&#039;s bodies are ugly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93807898" rel="nofollow">Some of NPR&#8217;s listeners agree with me</a>.</p>
<p>Eugene: why are speedos TV-unfriendly but nipple-showing bikinis aren&#8217;t? Oh, that&#8217;s right, porn is for men, not women. I forget that men&#8217;s bodies are ugly.</p>
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		<title>By: C. L. Hanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. L. Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget the &lt;a href=&quot;http://jadi.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2007/9/11/3222098.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;other extreme&lt;/a&gt;.  I&#039;d be far happier in a bikini myself, regardles of who&#039;s watching and why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget the <a href="http://jadi.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2007/9/11/3222098.html" rel="nofollow">other extreme</a>.  I&#8217;d be far happier in a bikini myself, regardles of who&#8217;s watching and why.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I still have to say: why are the men not, therefore, in speedos?&quot; Because Speedo + cup = TV-unfriendly visual aesthetics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I still have to say: why are the men not, therefore, in speedos?&#8221; Because Speedo + cup = TV-unfriendly visual aesthetics.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No.  Probably not.  But some of the women on that knitting site seem to sure hope it is.

I think it is interesting, however, that especially in places where women think men probably aren&#039;t listening/watching, women can be as objectifying of men as men are of women.  And often aren&#039;t any more subtle about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.  Probably not.  But some of the women on that knitting site seem to sure hope it is.</p>
<p>I think it is interesting, however, that especially in places where women think men probably aren&#8217;t listening/watching, women can be as objectifying of men as men are of women.  And often aren&#8217;t any more subtle about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, it is all marketing. It is a sad commentary, but it was genius from the business end of the olympics.
Viewership has skyrocketed due to the current uniforms in women&#039;s sports. The truth of the matter is, when women compete in sports normally dominated by men, the events are simply boring. Why watch a world class women&#039;s basketball game when any average men&#039;s college team could kill them.  The action is slower, and the shots are not as good.
The solution is for women to find sports that are truly women&#039;s events. Something that they would dominate even if men did compete.  Unfortunately, the balance beam is one of very few good examples of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, it is all marketing. It is a sad commentary, but it was genius from the business end of the olympics.<br />
Viewership has skyrocketed due to the current uniforms in women&#8217;s sports. The truth of the matter is, when women compete in sports normally dominated by men, the events are simply boring. Why watch a world class women&#8217;s basketball game when any average men&#8217;s college team could kill them.  The action is slower, and the shots are not as good.<br />
The solution is for women to find sports that are truly women&#8217;s events. Something that they would dominate even if men did compete.  Unfortunately, the balance beam is one of very few good examples of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://jesusandmo.net/strips/2008-08-20.jpg

Today&#039;s Jesus and Mo strip on this very topic.</description>
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<p>Today&#8217;s Jesus and Mo strip on this very topic.</p>
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		<title>By: xJane</title>
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		<dc:creator>xJane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That picture is, umm...wow. However, I’m not sure that it&#039;s indicative of a trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That picture is, umm&#8230;wow. However, I’m not sure that it&#8217;s indicative of a trend.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, but there is this photo going around the internet of Michael Phelps in one of those newfangled swimsuits, and while he is covered from shoulders knees, that thing is so tight and sheer that nothing...and I mean nothing...is left to the imagination.

I saw it, of all places, on the knitting site I frequent.

Anyway, my point is, if the women are being objectified, then the men are beginning to go down that same road.  Doesn&#039;t make any of it respectful, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, but there is this photo going around the internet of Michael Phelps in one of those newfangled swimsuits, and while he is covered from shoulders knees, that thing is so tight and sheer that nothing&#8230;and I mean nothing&#8230;is left to the imagination.</p>
<p>I saw it, of all places, on the knitting site I frequent.</p>
<p>Anyway, my point is, if the women are being objectified, then the men are beginning to go down that same road.  Doesn&#8217;t make any of it respectful, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: xJane</title>
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		<dc:creator>xJane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the problem with scheduling posts. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93749565&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NPR interviews a professional beach volleyball player to let us know that it&#039;s really a comfort thing.&lt;/a&gt; Although she also mentions that the only other option is a one-piece. I still have to say: why are the men not, therefore, in speedos?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the problem with scheduling posts. <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93749565" rel="nofollow">NPR interviews a professional beach volleyball player to let us know that it&#8217;s really a comfort thing.</a> Although she also mentions that the only other option is a one-piece. I still have to say: why are the men not, therefore, in speedos?</p>
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