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	<title>Comments on: Request for Help Against Prop 8</title>
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		<title>By: xJane</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/12/request-for-help-against-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-20293</link>
		<dc:creator>xJane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Straight but not narrow&quot;, I like that. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG7ddWLF_Fk&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s the commercial I was talking about&lt;/a&gt;, it&#039;s now up on YouTube.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Straight but not narrow&#8221;, I like that. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG7ddWLF_Fk" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s the commercial I was talking about</a>, it&#8217;s now up on YouTube.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Alexander</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/12/request-for-help-against-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-20260</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever you do, it&#039;ll be awesome, I know it.

If you do anything in &quot;real life,&quot; I&#039;d encourage you to take lots of photos so other people will be more inspired to do something similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever you do, it&#8217;ll be awesome, I know it.</p>
<p>If you do anything in &#8220;real life,&#8221; I&#8217;d encourage you to take lots of photos so other people will be more inspired to do something similar.</p>
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		<title>By: Love Makes a Family &#171; Uncommon Vistas</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/12/request-for-help-against-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-20240</link>
		<dc:creator>Love Makes a Family &#171; Uncommon Vistas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in politics again. It&#8217;s about time I make up for my earlier pacifism and add my voice to the many which are in favor of marriage equality for all citizens. If marriage is good for heterosexuals, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in politics again. It&#8217;s about time I make up for my earlier pacifism and add my voice to the many which are in favor of marriage equality for all citizens. If marriage is good for heterosexuals, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LRC</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/12/request-for-help-against-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-20229</link>
		<dc:creator>LRC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of our friends have created support groups within their wards where they can meet in person to vent and plan and discuss as necessary.  [And possibly find things to otherwise occupy their time during the precinct walking/calling projects.]

Other friends are sending copies of Carol Lynn Pearson&#039;s &quot;No More Goodbyes&quot; to their local leaders (Stake Presidents, Bishops, etc.)

If you go to zazzle.com and search for the term (in quotes) &quot;prop 8&quot;, there&#039;s an array of buttons, shirts, etc., including &quot;Family: It&#039;s about time&quot; stuff.

I&#039;ve also heard of tie tacks that say &quot;straight but not narrow&quot; and of bumper stickers that say, &quot;Protect Marriage, Vote No on 8&quot; (I think that one&#039;s at cafepress).

The Log Cabin Republicans recently came out against prop 8 and are developing their website, if that helps anyone.

And, as mimosa said, mormonsformarriage has quite a bit of information and stories that can be used to make LDS homosexuality more personal - it&#039;s harder to lump people together in a group as &quot;other&quot; when you have personal examples and experience that help them seem more like you.

Good luck with all your efforts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of our friends have created support groups within their wards where they can meet in person to vent and plan and discuss as necessary.  [And possibly find things to otherwise occupy their time during the precinct walking/calling projects.]</p>
<p>Other friends are sending copies of Carol Lynn Pearson&#8217;s &#8220;No More Goodbyes&#8221; to their local leaders (Stake Presidents, Bishops, etc.)</p>
<p>If you go to zazzle.com and search for the term (in quotes) &#8220;prop 8&#8243;, there&#8217;s an array of buttons, shirts, etc., including &#8220;Family: It&#8217;s about time&#8221; stuff.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also heard of tie tacks that say &#8220;straight but not narrow&#8221; and of bumper stickers that say, &#8220;Protect Marriage, Vote No on 8&#8243; (I think that one&#8217;s at cafepress).</p>
<p>The Log Cabin Republicans recently came out against prop 8 and are developing their website, if that helps anyone.</p>
<p>And, as mimosa said, mormonsformarriage has quite a bit of information and stories that can be used to make LDS homosexuality more personal &#8211; it&#8217;s harder to lump people together in a group as &#8220;other&#8221; when you have personal examples and experience that help them seem more like you.</p>
<p>Good luck with all your efforts!</p>
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		<title>By: wren</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/12/request-for-help-against-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-20228</link>
		<dc:creator>wren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, please. Save the images and pass them on! The credit for the original image is on the photo and they gave them creative commons licenses so use, use, use.  

I finally got a response on my Facebook note about this issue of marriage and it really saddens me that I have friends who think this way. Among other things, this Californian&#039;s response included the ever popular &quot;It was Adam and Even not Adam and Steve&quot; response and &quot;since they can&#039;t reproduce it&#039;s not right.&quot;  Never mind that fertility testing is not required for straight people to get married.  The majority of their response was based on &quot;God&#039;s word&quot; .  Never mind as well that I pointed out in my original note that if scripture is used as justification people better be prepared to apply all scriptures to their own life. And wow, how lousy would that be, especially as a woman? 

This is the ignorance you&#039;re up against.

When I was a Christian if I couldn&#039;t back up a commandment with some logic/science/common sense, I usually tossed it as an opinion, not God&#039;s word.   (I had to do this a lot with Paul&#039;s writings.  )  Try as I might, I can&#039;t come up with a legitimate reason to discriminate against adults who love each other.

I am trying to reach out in love to my friends who aren&#039;t on the same page regarding this issue.  I know there is culture and habits that have to be cut through and it may be a long process. Maybe some of them never will be and they&#039;ll be like some members of the older generations who still harbor race discrimination.    I&#039;m reminding myself that the me of a few years ago believed different things than I do today and that people can change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, please. Save the images and pass them on! The credit for the original image is on the photo and they gave them creative commons licenses so use, use, use.  </p>
<p>I finally got a response on my Facebook note about this issue of marriage and it really saddens me that I have friends who think this way. Among other things, this Californian&#8217;s response included the ever popular &#8220;It was Adam and Even not Adam and Steve&#8221; response and &#8220;since they can&#8217;t reproduce it&#8217;s not right.&#8221;  Never mind that fertility testing is not required for straight people to get married.  The majority of their response was based on &#8220;God&#8217;s word&#8221; .  Never mind as well that I pointed out in my original note that if scripture is used as justification people better be prepared to apply all scriptures to their own life. And wow, how lousy would that be, especially as a woman? </p>
<p>This is the ignorance you&#8217;re up against.</p>
<p>When I was a Christian if I couldn&#8217;t back up a commandment with some logic/science/common sense, I usually tossed it as an opinion, not God&#8217;s word.   (I had to do this a lot with Paul&#8217;s writings.  )  Try as I might, I can&#8217;t come up with a legitimate reason to discriminate against adults who love each other.</p>
<p>I am trying to reach out in love to my friends who aren&#8217;t on the same page regarding this issue.  I know there is culture and habits that have to be cut through and it may be a long process. Maybe some of them never will be and they&#8217;ll be like some members of the older generations who still harbor race discrimination.    I&#8217;m reminding myself that the me of a few years ago believed different things than I do today and that people can change.</p>
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		<title>By: xJane</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/12/request-for-help-against-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-20221</link>
		<dc:creator>xJane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ditto Elaine&#039;s positive spin: using scripture that supports compassion certainly can&#039;t get anyone&#039;s goat, and keeping the debate positive is always a good thing.

wren said &quot;No one’s marriage is in jeopardy from someone else getting married.&quot; hear, hear. Also? I love your flickr signs. I&#039;d put that on my website, can I steal it and upload them to Facebook? (where I also just changed my &quot;available&quot; message, because you&#039;re right! we have to make this a subject people are talking about.

Also, there&#039;s an ad out right now paid for by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eqca.org/site/pp.asp?c=kuLRJ9MRKrH&amp;b=4026385&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Equality California&lt;/a&gt; with the tag line &quot;What if you couldn&#039;t marry who you loved?&quot;, which are very clever. I can&#039;t link to them because they&#039;re not available online. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JqGun0cb3w&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here, however, is a very funny vid that I’m not sure where it came from, but it&#039;s funny.&lt;/a&gt; And summarizes my feelings on the subject quite nicely. Prolly NSFW, but worth it (no nudity or swearing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ditto Elaine&#8217;s positive spin: using scripture that supports compassion certainly can&#8217;t get anyone&#8217;s goat, and keeping the debate positive is always a good thing.</p>
<p>wren said &#8220;No one’s marriage is in jeopardy from someone else getting married.&#8221; hear, hear. Also? I love your flickr signs. I&#8217;d put that on my website, can I steal it and upload them to Facebook? (where I also just changed my &#8220;available&#8221; message, because you&#8217;re right! we have to make this a subject people are talking about.</p>
<p>Also, there&#8217;s an ad out right now paid for by <a href="http://www.eqca.org/site/pp.asp?c=kuLRJ9MRKrH&#038;b=4026385" rel="nofollow">Equality California</a> with the tag line &#8220;What if you couldn&#8217;t marry who you loved?&#8221;, which are very clever. I can&#8217;t link to them because they&#8217;re not available online. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JqGun0cb3w" rel="nofollow">Here, however, is a very funny vid that I’m not sure where it came from, but it&#8217;s funny.</a> And summarizes my feelings on the subject quite nicely. Prolly NSFW, but worth it (no nudity or swearing).</p>
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		<title>By: Chino Blanco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chino Blanco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for permission to spam!  I look forward to following this blog and hearing about any new actions in the months ahead.  On my side, we&#039;re live at TheLiberalOC with our alert:

http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/08/13/action-alert-tell-the-right-wing-consultants-no-to-prop-8/

Here&#039;s to Prop 8 going down in flames.  Rock on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for permission to spam!  I look forward to following this blog and hearing about any new actions in the months ahead.  On my side, we&#8217;re live at TheLiberalOC with our alert:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/08/13/action-alert-tell-the-right-wing-consultants-no-to-prop-8/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theliberaloc.com/2008/08/13/action-alert-tell-the-right-wing-consultants-no-to-prop-8/</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s to Prop 8 going down in flames.  Rock on.</p>
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		<title>By: mimosa</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/12/request-for-help-against-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-20186</link>
		<dc:creator>mimosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, signforsomething.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, signforsomething.org</p>
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		<title>By: mimosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>mimosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other site, a bit more militant:
signforsomething.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other site, a bit more militant:<br />
signforsomething.com</p>
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		<title>By: amelia</title>
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		<dc:creator>amelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;ve been looking for a way to get more involved--beyond the rainbow ribbon i wear to church and the buzzed hair, both rather silent statements and therefore easily overlooked.  i&#039;ll give this a bit of thought.  don&#039;t know if i&#039;ll come up with anything new, but keep me posted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve been looking for a way to get more involved&#8211;beyond the rainbow ribbon i wear to church and the buzzed hair, both rather silent statements and therefore easily overlooked.  i&#8217;ll give this a bit of thought.  don&#8217;t know if i&#8217;ll come up with anything new, but keep me posted.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/12/request-for-help-against-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-20176</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chandelle, that&#039;s the power of the Word!  Justice Now!  (I&#039;m just the messenger) :D

Wren and Elaine, I really found your suggestions helpful.  I&#039;m going to start thinking along those lines.  I&#039;m also going to try to start networking with my Quaker and IUCC contacts, and emailing some Mo friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chandelle, that&#8217;s the power of the Word!  Justice Now!  (I&#8217;m just the messenger) <img src='http://www.mindonfire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Wren and Elaine, I really found your suggestions helpful.  I&#8217;m going to start thinking along those lines.  I&#8217;m also going to try to start networking with my Quaker and IUCC contacts, and emailing some Mo friends.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/12/request-for-help-against-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-20175</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, everyone for the advice and info and offers of support.  

Chino, your spam is welcome in this thread! :)  I&#039;m not sure if I can make it to either event you mentioned,, but I am going to try to get involved with the PCU group.  I&#039;m a big fan of the IUCC pastor.

John (not me John), I love your idea, though it won&#039;t work for me.  I&#039;m not even sure if you could pull it off.  You&#039;d need to reinvent your persona, or have someone with seemingly impeccable conservative credentials give it a go.

Now if you could surreptitiously stick a bunch of leaflets in the hymnals or something, that would be awesome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, everyone for the advice and info and offers of support.  </p>
<p>Chino, your spam is welcome in this thread! <img src='http://www.mindonfire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   I&#8217;m not sure if I can make it to either event you mentioned,, but I am going to try to get involved with the PCU group.  I&#8217;m a big fan of the IUCC pastor.</p>
<p>John (not me John), I love your idea, though it won&#8217;t work for me.  I&#8217;m not even sure if you could pull it off.  You&#8217;d need to reinvent your persona, or have someone with seemingly impeccable conservative credentials give it a go.</p>
<p>Now if you could surreptitiously stick a bunch of leaflets in the hymnals or something, that would be awesome!</p>
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		<title>By: mimosa</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/12/request-for-help-against-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-20172</link>
		<dc:creator>mimosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This site was started by several mormons as a way to educate other mormons about why the amendment is a bad idea. The videos which are being added over the next few weeks will be particularly powerful. Some are up now, and others are still being filmed. 
www.mormonsformarriage.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This site was started by several mormons as a way to educate other mormons about why the amendment is a bad idea. The videos which are being added over the next few weeks will be particularly powerful. Some are up now, and others are still being filmed.<br />
<a href="http://www.mormonsformarriage.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mormonsformarriage.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: cchrissyy</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/12/request-for-help-against-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-20171</link>
		<dc:creator>cchrissyy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like any &quot;yes on 8&quot; or &quot;no on 8&quot; signs, because even as a Californian with strong opinions on the issue, I can&#039;t quite remember which way the amendment language is written...   the example in comment 9 sure gets it across though. Be sure to include an image so people don&#039;t skim your message and assume by holding a pro-family sign near a church you must be on the anti-marriage-rights side of things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like any &#8220;yes on 8&#8243; or &#8220;no on 8&#8243; signs, because even as a Californian with strong opinions on the issue, I can&#8217;t quite remember which way the amendment language is written&#8230;   the example in comment 9 sure gets it across though. Be sure to include an image so people don&#8217;t skim your message and assume by holding a pro-family sign near a church you must be on the anti-marriage-rights side of things.</p>
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		<title>By: wren</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/12/request-for-help-against-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-20170</link>
		<dc:creator>wren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And &lt;a href=&quot;http://flickr.com/photos/waitingline/2758415460/in/photostream/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Isn&#039;t it about time?&lt;/a&gt; example 2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And <a href="http://flickr.com/photos/waitingline/2758415460/in/photostream/" rel="nofollow">Isn&#8217;t it about time?</a> example 2</p>
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		<title>By: wren</title>
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		<dc:creator>wren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, how&#039;s this for motivation? I made these just for you. :)  I&#039;m putting in 2 separate comments because it seems like i get caught in the spam filter if I post more than one link per comment.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://flickr.com/photos/waitingline/2757580091/in/photostream/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Isn&#039;t it about time?&lt;/a&gt; example 1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, how&#8217;s this for motivation? I made these just for you. <img src='http://www.mindonfire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   I&#8217;m putting in 2 separate comments because it seems like i get caught in the spam filter if I post more than one link per comment.</p>
<p><a href="http://flickr.com/photos/waitingline/2757580091/in/photostream/" rel="nofollow">Isn&#8217;t it about time?</a> example 1</p>
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		<title>By: Chandelle</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/12/request-for-help-against-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-20168</link>
		<dc:creator>Chandelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It fits well with Mind on Fire’s mission to reach out to the marginalized within religious institutions, to promote a progressive agenda around issues concerning gender and sexual orientation, and to smack religious institutions down whenever official representatives start acting like patriarchal assholes.&quot;

John...you are hereby worshiped.  Best.  Line.  Ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It fits well with Mind on Fire’s mission to reach out to the marginalized within religious institutions, to promote a progressive agenda around issues concerning gender and sexual orientation, and to smack religious institutions down whenever official representatives start acting like patriarchal assholes.&#8221;</p>
<p>John&#8230;you are hereby worshiped.  Best.  Line.  Ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/12/request-for-help-against-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-20166</link>
		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like that last one, Wren: &quot;Family...isn&#039;t it about time?  Vote NO on Prop 8!&quot;, if only for the fact that it is likely to make people stop and think a minute, because they will be expecting it to say &quot;Vote YES&quot; after the family-friendly sentiment at the beginning.  And if you get people to stop and think even for a second, you&#039;re ahead of the game.  After all, thinking really is a subversive activity...in the best way possible. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like that last one, Wren: &#8220;Family&#8230;isn&#8217;t it about time?  Vote NO on Prop 8!&#8221;, if only for the fact that it is likely to make people stop and think a minute, because they will be expecting it to say &#8220;Vote YES&#8221; after the family-friendly sentiment at the beginning.  And if you get people to stop and think even for a second, you&#8217;re ahead of the game.  After all, thinking really is a subversive activity&#8230;in the best way possible. <img src='http://www.mindonfire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: wren</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/12/request-for-help-against-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-20163</link>
		<dc:creator>wren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think most people would be bothered by excessive politics inside.  They&#039;d probably applaud it. That&#039;s the problem with sheep. Most follow the perceived shepherd.

I second Elaine&#039;s idea about scripture quoting.  

I posted a note on my facebook page last week because I was dismayed at the number of my friends joining &quot;traditional family&quot; and &quot;protect marriage&quot; groups.    I mused that were the internet around 150 years ago who would be joining the &quot;traditional plantation&quot; groups.  At least plantation owners had something to lose. No one&#039;s marriage is in jeopardy from someone else getting married.  I pleaded with my friends to think about &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; this position is defensible. I also pointed out if the defense was scripture then people better be prepared to follow *all* scripture and how different their lives would be.

The only response I got was a passive aggressive one - a friend made a point to post a &quot;yes on prop 8&quot; group she joined last week to her profile.   This whole thing is blatantly offensive.  Would Jim Crow laws be defended the same way?  Meh, probably.

I am so glad that it is becoming less and less popular to discriminate against adults who are not hurting anyone. 

Maybe signs that acknowledge those who are in a minority would help because it would rattle the rest of them and at the same time buoy those who feel alone?   Something like &quot;Thanks to those to swim against the tide. You&#039;re not alone.&quot; along with other ones that indicate why you&#039;re there (anti-discrimination, etc). 

Other options - &quot;Protect the family. Vote No on Prop 8&quot;  If you want to do this at lds chapels you can spin off their ads... &quot;Family, isn&#039;t it about time? Vote NO on Prop 8!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think most people would be bothered by excessive politics inside.  They&#8217;d probably applaud it. That&#8217;s the problem with sheep. Most follow the perceived shepherd.</p>
<p>I second Elaine&#8217;s idea about scripture quoting.  </p>
<p>I posted a note on my facebook page last week because I was dismayed at the number of my friends joining &#8220;traditional family&#8221; and &#8220;protect marriage&#8221; groups.    I mused that were the internet around 150 years ago who would be joining the &#8220;traditional plantation&#8221; groups.  At least plantation owners had something to lose. No one&#8217;s marriage is in jeopardy from someone else getting married.  I pleaded with my friends to think about <i>why</i> this position is defensible. I also pointed out if the defense was scripture then people better be prepared to follow *all* scripture and how different their lives would be.</p>
<p>The only response I got was a passive aggressive one &#8211; a friend made a point to post a &#8220;yes on prop 8&#8243; group she joined last week to her profile.   This whole thing is blatantly offensive.  Would Jim Crow laws be defended the same way?  Meh, probably.</p>
<p>I am so glad that it is becoming less and less popular to discriminate against adults who are not hurting anyone. </p>
<p>Maybe signs that acknowledge those who are in a minority would help because it would rattle the rest of them and at the same time buoy those who feel alone?   Something like &#8220;Thanks to those to swim against the tide. You&#8217;re not alone.&#8221; along with other ones that indicate why you&#8217;re there (anti-discrimination, etc). </p>
<p>Other options &#8211; &#8220;Protect the family. Vote No on Prop 8&#8243;  If you want to do this at lds chapels you can spin off their ads&#8230; &#8220;Family, isn&#8217;t it about time? Vote NO on Prop 8!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chino Blanco</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/08/12/request-for-help-against-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-20162</link>
		<dc:creator>Chino Blanco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as I&#039;m spamming, here&#039;s another event - more like an action - that I&#039;ve been trying to promote, but I&#039;m lacking local (Irvine) support: 

The Irvine PR company that runs the “Yes on 8” media campaign is holding an Open House on:

Thursday, August 14th, 2008
5:30 p.m - 8:30 p.m.

2020 Main Street
Irvine, CA 92614

All those opposed to Prop 8 are invited to attend and/or rally at 2020 Main on August 14th.

Details here:

http://www.calitics.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=6587

I am still looking for someone local to help coordinate. If you or anyone you know would be agreeable to helping by providing a local telephone contact number, that’d be great.

I’m not local, so won’t be able to attend, but I’m keen to continue with helping promote turnout and would also like to pay for “No on 8″ swag for the event. I’ve got a budget of $500 that I’d like to see spent on banners, yard signs, etc. All I’d ask is that the signs and banners be in place for the duration of the 3-hour Open House. After the event, the swag would be yours to keep.

If you or your group would be interested in taking me up on this offer, please drop a comment at my blog.

http://chinoblanco.blogspot.com

Cheers,

Chino</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as I&#8217;m spamming, here&#8217;s another event &#8211; more like an action &#8211; that I&#8217;ve been trying to promote, but I&#8217;m lacking local (Irvine) support: </p>
<p>The Irvine PR company that runs the “Yes on 8” media campaign is holding an Open House on:</p>
<p>Thursday, August 14th, 2008<br />
5:30 p.m &#8211; 8:30 p.m.</p>
<p>2020 Main Street<br />
Irvine, CA 92614</p>
<p>All those opposed to Prop 8 are invited to attend and/or rally at 2020 Main on August 14th.</p>
<p>Details here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.calitics.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=6587" rel="nofollow">http://www.calitics.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=6587</a></p>
<p>I am still looking for someone local to help coordinate. If you or anyone you know would be agreeable to helping by providing a local telephone contact number, that’d be great.</p>
<p>I’m not local, so won’t be able to attend, but I’m keen to continue with helping promote turnout and would also like to pay for “No on 8″ swag for the event. I’ve got a budget of $500 that I’d like to see spent on banners, yard signs, etc. All I’d ask is that the signs and banners be in place for the duration of the 3-hour Open House. After the event, the swag would be yours to keep.</p>
<p>If you or your group would be interested in taking me up on this offer, please drop a comment at my blog.</p>
<p><a href="http://chinoblanco.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://chinoblanco.blogspot.com</a></p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Chino</p>
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