Comments on: LDS Church warns Young Men against Interracial Marriage

By: Geroge

Geroge — Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:02:16 +0000

Mutts are smarter than purebreds, and Shamus, you probably need to breed with a Japanese or any other Asian woman and [perhaps the kids will be much smarter than you!

By: xJane

xJane — Fri, 06 Jan 2012 00:43:47 +0000

Actually, if we’re going to go that route, purebreds have far more problems than do mutts. The majority of the approved [dog] breeds have chronic hip problems, aggression issues, mouth deformations, you name it. When you mix breeds, however, you often get a hardier “breed” that is healthier and more even tempered.

By: Casper

Casper — Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:08:58 +0000

Birds of a feather…… Is not just a metaphor. Being selective is not prejudice unless you make it prejudice. I believe in being selective. I believe inter-racial mixing, like with any animal breed, produces a mutt “as a metaphor”. While muts can be fantastic animals because of they’re temperant, they aren’t the brightest bulbs. I would still prefer to have a purebred. That’s my opinion because I am selective. I have nothing against other non white races but I’d prefer that we keep our races seperate.

By: John

John — Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:41:28 +0000

Shamus, normally I’d delete a comment like #44 as trollish, but this one is so blatant, so over-the-top, that I’m going to assume it’s satire. Certainly the rest of us will get more out of it if we read it that way.

By: Shamus O'Malley

Shamus O'Malley — Fri, 22 Apr 2011 04:35:09 +0000

The only people complaining about these statements are the same people that complain about everything all the time 24/7 non stop.
Gays, Blacks, & Liberals. Always 100% of the time – same crying & moaning about the injustice of some statement or rule that hurt their delicate feelings.
You know who isnt complaining? The same strong, educated, intelligent, creative, hard working, inventive, family oriented white men & women that built America. Its not enough to promote diversity & legislate 1000 laws that benefit minorities from housing to jobs to colleges – nope its never enough. Now you have to marry off your beautiful white prisitne daiughter to some stupid thug negroid or else your “racist”. Never enough for those people. Yep I said it – “those people” You gonna complain about that too? I thought so. Gays, Blacks Liberals – same game, different year, over & over, never ending. Its old. Its obvious you cant be satisfied. So….I say lets go backwards in time.
I think the 1950′s were a better time. One could leave the front door open at night. You could leave the keys in your car. The negroids & “darkies” didnt come near your neighborhood at night because they knew what was in store for them. The schools were better because bussing & integration hadnt RUINED them yet. Our white children ranked #1 in science & mathematics. People still played musical instruments instead of machines beats. crime was very very very low, neighborhoods & parks were safe. Gays were in the closet instead of flaunting deviant sexual sickness in public. Overall everything, everywhere was better & anyone with a brain knows its true. Diversity? The greatest lie ever put on this country – divide & conquer. We are conquered. Thank the Mormans for sticking to whats right. Amen! If only the Jewish media didnt distort things to a psychological brain melt. The new generations are completely brainwashed & just plain low IQ stupid. If Mormans were actually racist (which they arent) I would leave my estate to them. If only……

By: John White

John White — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:28:35 +0000

Commentator, the issue isn’t whether inter-racial marriage might be more difficult. It’s whether it’s O.K. to provide a guidance to marry those “of the same racial background generally.”

And I’m totally open to hearing about the context of the statement.

By: Commentator

Commentator — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:48:18 +0000

Traylor is a little bit of a nut. In fact I’m certain that it is fake, because it is non-sensical.

Regardless, his extreme point on one side isn’t that much farther from the center than the extremists on the other side.

If you are unwilling to acknowledge the additional difficulties introduced by interracial marriages, then you are simply refusing to acknowledge the facts.

In addition, if you choose to take a few sentences out of context, then that is your loss as you explore other people, their religions and philosophies.

By: John White

John White — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:43:17 +0000

Traylor (#40)
That must be that Christ-like love I’ve been hearing about.

By: Traylor

Traylor — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:19:10 +0000

Despite all the negative statements against the Church on this selfishness-promoting blog, you will all remember that I on this day I told you that on Judgment Day a lot of faithful Mormons will have on their minds when looking at you the following: “I told you so.“

By: InCentralMD

InCentralMD — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:12:59 +0000

Low divorce rates for young woman (girls?) if they “marry” an old man. Justifying pedophilia, these people are creepy…

By: JohnW

JohnW — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 08:13:00 +0000

Wow, Steve-O. I think it’s problematic that you define racism only as racial hierarchies or statements of purity. I think it’s completely possible to be racist by enforcing segregation.

In addition, I think that both hierarchy and purity ARE being implied. Separation implies inequality. And not having mixed race marriages is pretty much the definition of racial purity, isn’t it? Or am I missing something there.

> the bullshit PC zeitgeist already tells
> kids to delay marriage. That’s why
> fertility rates are plummeting in
> developed countries.

I’m reading here that you imply that both delaying marriage and lowered fertility rates are a bad thing. But I’m not clear why either of them are bad.

> Which is also why I give Mormons
> the benefit of the doubt on the race thing.

Benefit of the doubt that they might not have been racist? Or that they were racist but might not have been wrong?

By: John

John — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 08:02:25 +0000

Context, Steve-O: there is no debate that in 1977, the LDS Church discriminated according to race. Anyone with African ancestry could not get married in the temple or reach the highest levels of heaven and black men could not serve in most leadership positions or perform the simple ritual tasks that just about any non-black 12-year-old boy could.

This is exactly why I do not give the Mormons the benefit of doubt.

What say I? I don’t claim to be inoculated against charges of racism (I am entirely capable of discriminating, which is why I reflect and examine my own attitudes), but I probably am a smug asshole.

By: Steve-O

Steve-O — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:49:50 +0000

I know this is an old post that I’ve stumbled on…

John, a lot of people probably would look at that statement and intuitively see it as racist. We’ve all been conditioned to think that way. I’ll admit that my gut reaction said it was racist. But is it, really?

Racism is a powerful accusation & should be backed up with a clear, unambiguous explanation. There’s no implication of any racial hierarchy in that statement. Nor is “racial purity” held up as a goal.

Frankly, I’m tired of smug assholes who think that accusing others of racism inoculates them against charges of racism. What say you?

Also, it’ s true that divorce rates decline slightly with age. But the bullshit PC zeitgeist already tells kids to delay marriage. That’s why fertility rates are plummeting in developed countries.

So the conventional wisdom of free society isn’t always so wise. Which is also why I give Mormons the benefit of the doubt on the race thing.

By: Ron Cook

Ron Cook — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:09:51 +0000

Say what one likes, my experance is that saints are color blind. I have been raised in the south were there are black churchs and white churchs. Race is a big issue there. My son went on a mission to Georgia and that is what he saw. He attended a black church a couple of times and he and his companion were there only white boys there. they stuck out like soar thumbs.

I have a sister that adopted 5 black kids. One is named after me and I love them as flesh and blood relations. There is a boy that passes the sacrament that is black. Great kid. I knew a bishop that was black in SlC Utah. Great guy.

Notice that I said saints are color blind. I could give examples of mormons that are racists. There are both in the church. Its like Sunday Christians and those that are saved. As for me, I am trying to be a saint and I dont care what color anyone is. It does matter what they do and how they live that makes the difference.

By: John White

John White — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:57:24 +0000

Ryan, I just want to be clear. You don’t feel any racism in a directive to marry someone of generally the same racial background?

By: Ryan

Ryan — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:52:30 +0000

I am American and I married someone from another country. What I get out of what he said is to marry someone who is LIKE you so that the marriage would have the chances of being better off. Ohh yeah, there are lots of differences between us which wouldn’t be there if we were of a simular upbringing, culture, and economic background.
When I read this I don’t feel any racism in his coments, just advice to poeple in having a better chance in marriage if they marry someone more like themselves.

By: JohnW

JohnW — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:20:13 +0000

No joke, Wren? That’s a tough place to be in. Talked to your Bishop?

By: Wren

Wren — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 04:54:24 +0000

I’m a Mormon convert two years past. I believe in Christ but now I am so confused about it all.

Second, I’m not white, and I have a white girlfriend and it’s been hurting me a lot. I was strongly against interracial relationships but I love this girl and she loves me.

I sometimes fringe in trauma because of this whole race issue. I know, however, that a kingdom divided can’t stand.

I see some white people are racist, some are not.
That prophet recommends not to have interracial marriage, but yet at Church I see intermarriage couples.

I’ve had white friends, black friends, Hispanic friends, and mixed friends.

When I see a black guy with a white girl I feel it’s wrong, and when I see a white guy with a black girl, I don’t feel it’s wrong.

There are so many contradictions.

This is too much for me.

But lastly, getting into relationships outside of Mormon faith was the most difficult for me.

Wren

By: John White

John White — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:58:53 +0000

synnove:
I don’t know what else the church could mean by “We recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally,” other than exactly what it says.

You’re suggesting the Prophet didn’t mean what he said? What different words do you think the Prophet “could have maybe” chosen?

I’m a child of interracial marriage, so the major thing FOR ME is that the church instructs every young man that it’s a problem.

By: synnove

synnove — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:45:17 +0000

Hi
I am certain the Church never meant it as some seem to think here. It is just a general statement and the person could have maybe chosen different words, but people are different. I am absolutely sure there is no racism involved. Of course people choose themselves, the mayor thing is interfaith marriages may cause problems, but I know a few friends that have no problems with it at all, then there is many who do get problems. So for a general advise what else could they give. As for marrying active people in church, it does not matter, but demands a flexible nature which not all ..even church members have…but there are mare and more marrying across nations and race barriers that used to be in the past. (Especially with in-laws). Still I think a little more updated phrasing would be good, to get the real meaning more accurate. Today people are able to cope with language barriers, cultural differences and different traditions much better than a few decades ago, and differences are more seen as they should be as an interesting challenge and an enrichment to the relationship.