Comments on: LDS Church Handbook of Instructions available via WikiLeaks http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/ Religion, SF, and Other Speculative Fictions. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:55:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: jon http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/comment-page-2/#comment-27058 jon Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:47:51 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/#comment-27058 opps I spelled "argument" wrong, guess that means everything I said must be flawed... opps I spelled “argument” wrong, guess that means everything I said must be flawed…

]]> By: jon http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/comment-page-2/#comment-27057 jon Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:44:54 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/#comment-27057 By the way Jared, in addition to what John just posted, you spelled "poor wrong", speaking of editing.... So now is his arguement is strengthened? By the way Jared, in addition to what John just posted, you spelled “poor wrong”, speaking of editing…. So now is his arguement is strengthened?

]]> By: John http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/comment-page-2/#comment-27056 John Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:05:15 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/#comment-27056 Jared, nice try. "Polygamy" swings both ways: a woman with multiple husbands is practicing polygamy. "Polygyny" is a more precise term, because it defines marriage between one man and more than one woman. Jared, nice try. “Polygamy” swings both ways: a woman with multiple husbands is practicing polygamy. “Polygyny” is a more precise term, because it defines marriage between one man and more than one woman.

]]> By: Jared http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/comment-page-2/#comment-27049 Jared Mon, 04 Jul 2011 05:06:56 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/#comment-27049 It's called polygamy get it right man... In my opinion your pour editing weakened your whole argument. It’s called polygamy get it right man… In my opinion your pour editing weakened your whole argument.

]]> By: Jon http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/comment-page-2/#comment-27034 Jon Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:45:27 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/#comment-27034 All these questions will be raised on a much grander level if a Mormon gets the nomination for president. I would say to you Mormons to be prepared for a lot of justifiable questions that will certainly come, about all of these issues, i.e. sexism, racism and the churches past leaders behavior that comes from a well documented historical perspective. People have a right to know about the inner workings of a church. John's blog here is much appreciated by those of us who don't agree with the LDS church. I happen to believe that evolution is the best theroy on how we have come into being and become who we are. I personally believe that God created that for us, but it is pointless to change a persons' mind about religion because we have "evolved" with the impulse to belong to a special group that makes us feel strong, powerful and sane. Mormons need that as much as anyone else and are no different than all the other good people in this world. If you can't see that then you are just fooling yourself. People will go to war for that very eveolutionary thing and have done so since the point the human race scampered down from the trees. It's important now at this time in history for us to understand that our next president is dealing with the reality in this world and not illusion. All these questions will be raised on a much grander level if a Mormon gets the nomination for president. I would say to you Mormons to be prepared for a lot of justifiable questions that will certainly come, about all of these issues, i.e. sexism, racism and the churches past leaders behavior that comes from a well documented historical perspective. People have a right to know about the inner workings of a church. John’s blog here is much appreciated by those of us who don’t agree with the LDS church. I happen to believe that evolution is the best theroy on how we have come into being and become who we are. I personally believe that God created that for us, but it is pointless to change a persons’ mind about religion because we have “evolved” with the impulse to belong to a special group that makes us feel strong, powerful and sane. Mormons need that as much as anyone else and are no different than all the other good people in this world. If you can’t see that then you are just fooling yourself. People will go to war for that very eveolutionary thing and have done so since the point the human race scampered down from the trees. It’s important now at this time in history for us to understand that our next president is dealing with the reality in this world and not illusion.

]]> By: Frustrated http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/comment-page-2/#comment-26983 Frustrated Thu, 26 May 2011 16:22:29 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/#comment-26983 The church is filled with imperfect people. Working inside the church to correct problems is an arduous, frustrating but wothwhile task. The church is filled with imperfect people. Working inside the church to correct problems is an arduous, frustrating but wothwhile task.

]]> By: Frogguy http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/comment-page-2/#comment-26982 Frogguy Thu, 26 May 2011 08:16:28 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/#comment-26982 John, no matter what you might think of Cindy, she's exactly right. There is nothing in the GHI that is not available to any member if they ask. You'll note that nothing in the book is described as doctrine. It's as it says, a handbook of instructions for unit leaders so there is conformity across the Church. Why is it not widely distributed? Because sections or pages are updated regularly and the cost and bother of updating everyone is beyond reason, especially when you consider that the information inside isn't necessary for anyone to see other than the unit leaders. They all get copies. The general membership does not because they only need to see it when something comes up that pertains to them, and their bishop will show them the parts they need to see if they will ask. Mine even photocopied a couple of pages for me once when I needed to know a specific procedure that I won't detail here. A 1999 copy of the GHI is considerably outdated, by the way. John, no matter what you might think of Cindy, she’s exactly right. There is nothing in the GHI that is not available to any member if they ask. You’ll note that nothing in the book is described as doctrine. It’s as it says, a handbook of instructions for unit leaders so there is conformity across the Church. Why is it not widely distributed? Because sections or pages are updated regularly and the cost and bother of updating everyone is beyond reason, especially when you consider that the information inside isn’t necessary for anyone to see other than the unit leaders. They all get copies. The general membership does not because they only need to see it when something comes up that pertains to them, and their bishop will show them the parts they need to see if they will ask. Mine even photocopied a couple of pages for me once when I needed to know a specific procedure that I won’t detail here. A 1999 copy of the GHI is considerably outdated, by the way.

]]> By: (none) http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/comment-page-2/#comment-26947 (none) Thu, 05 May 2011 02:35:04 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/#comment-26947 @ WAKEUP: You seem to be really upset about this. This religion hasnt done anything sorts of damage to you in any way. Ive got a buddy that is a memeber and his parents almost lost their home but the mormon church had offered to pay their rent until they could get back on their feet not to mention gave them free food weekly to make sure that they werent goin hungry and mind you he is one of 12 children. Ive heard of many stories about that and ive seen it happen, the 10% the church recieves from members is used for those types of dilemmas and to help each other out. And if your bothered about where money in a religion goes stick your nose in the catholic religion where popes have solid gold thrones and cathlics have the largest poverty levels of their own memebers that recieve no help at all from their church, where as the LDS faith hasnt turned anyone down yet. So maybe you should shut your mouth and notice something good rather than bash it! @ WAKEUP:

You seem to be really upset about this. This religion hasnt done anything sorts of damage to you in any way. Ive got a buddy that is a memeber and his parents almost lost their home but the mormon church had offered to pay their rent until they could get back on their feet not to mention gave them free food weekly to make sure that they werent goin hungry and mind you he is one of 12 children. Ive heard of many stories about that and ive seen it happen, the 10% the church recieves from members is used for those types of dilemmas and to help each other out. And if your bothered about where money in a religion goes stick your nose in the catholic religion where popes have solid gold thrones and cathlics have the largest poverty levels of their own memebers that recieve no help at all from their church, where as the LDS faith hasnt turned anyone down yet. So maybe you should shut your mouth and notice something good rather than bash it!

]]> By: WakeUp http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/comment-page-2/#comment-26919 WakeUp Fri, 22 Apr 2011 22:28:29 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/#comment-26919 Take a real look at your organization. You guys are still spewing out the same crap I had to hear over and over again in those classes I was forced into going to. Have you ever really taken a look- no a real look- at yourselves? "We believe in ....." "We also believe...." Seriously this is a great way to brainwash yourselves. You FEEL this is true-yeh so did that 3 yr old girl FEEL that Bieber loved her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTCm8tdHkfI he didnt even know her until her videos! You think Jesus is watching your videos I get it. Your replies to logical questions are all rehearsed as much as your testimony to your beliefs. I love the "You didnt pray enough if you dont feel it is true, read the BOM again and pray harder." "keep praying until you feel it is" "you didnt ask with a pure heart of wanting to know, ask again" this kind of group think right there proves to me you are all in a brainwashing cult. "But our church gives to the poor" Yeh? Take a good look at temple square you have a hotel that costs insane amounts of money to stay in, you have buildings decked out to hell, I dont see the poor there I see a tourist trap with wealthy dogs their noses in the air thinking theyre getting to heaven- your men of god ride around in expensive automobiles with expensive suits-Zions bank is the most greedy rip-off bank I ever knew of, your church buys up stocks making tons of $ but notice the streets of salt lake city are still littered with bums and people out of work. How many widows and orphans do you see going into church who are being taken care of by THEE Church- How many buildings are set up with facilities for the poor vs buildings set up for the rich. I knew more families who were turned away from your church- that had no money for food and rent that I had to personally help-yeh i paid for their food and rent- than families that this CHURCH OF GOD helped. You put 10% in some envelope and think its all taken care of. You wanna know where your tithing goes maybe you should ask for a audit of all the $ just like the fed that church is a business and there are poor starving homeless people.. go ahead and show us all the widows orphans and homeless that are being cared for. I'm not against some idea of a nice caring GOD or JESUS but damned if I'll be spoon fed how incredible your church is- I know it, and I know just like every other major organized religion. Your temple ceremonies that are supposed to be sacred and kept the same since ancient times unlike the Mason ceremonies they were copied from keep getting updated- how is it a perfect god has to update anything if he is so intelligent to make a world and a people dont you think he'd know how to make some ceremonies that would be universal and beyond time Take a real look at your organization. You guys are still spewing out the same crap I had to hear over and over again in those classes I was forced into going to. Have you ever really taken a look- no a real look- at yourselves? “We believe in …..” “We also believe….” Seriously this is a great way to brainwash yourselves. You FEEL this is true-yeh so did that 3 yr old girl FEEL that Bieber loved her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTCm8tdHkfI he didnt even know her until her videos! You think Jesus is watching your videos I get it. Your replies to logical questions are all rehearsed as much as your testimony to your beliefs. I love the “You didnt pray enough if you dont feel it is true, read the BOM again and pray harder.” “keep praying until you feel it is” “you didnt ask with a pure heart of wanting to know, ask again” this kind of group think right there proves to me you are all in a brainwashing cult. “But our church gives to the poor” Yeh? Take a good look at temple square you have a hotel that costs insane amounts of money to stay in, you have buildings decked out to hell, I dont see the poor there I see a tourist trap with wealthy dogs their noses in the air thinking theyre getting to heaven- your men of god ride around in expensive automobiles with expensive suits-Zions bank is the most greedy rip-off bank I ever knew of, your church buys up stocks making tons of $ but notice the streets of salt lake city are still littered with bums and people out of work. How many widows and orphans do you see going into church who are being taken care of by THEE Church- How many buildings are set up with facilities for the poor vs buildings set up for the rich. I knew more families who were turned away from your church- that had no money for food and rent that I had to personally help-yeh i paid for their food and rent- than families that this CHURCH OF GOD helped. You put 10% in some envelope and think its all taken care of. You wanna know where your tithing goes maybe you should ask for a audit of all the $ just like the fed that church is a business and there are poor starving homeless people.. go ahead and show us all the widows orphans and homeless that are being cared for. I’m not against some idea of a nice caring GOD or JESUS but damned if I’ll be spoon fed how incredible your church is- I know it, and I know just like every other major organized religion. Your temple ceremonies that are supposed to be sacred and kept the same since ancient times unlike the Mason ceremonies they were copied from keep getting updated- how is it a perfect god has to update anything if he is so intelligent to make a world and a people dont you think he’d know how to make some ceremonies that would be universal and beyond time

]]> By: . http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/comment-page-2/#comment-26910 . Mon, 18 Apr 2011 18:57:59 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/#comment-26910 this is a link to a copy of the LDS handbook of instructions that is only available to the leadership. https://ldsmormonhandbookofinstructions.wordpress.com/ this is a link to a copy of the LDS handbook of instructions that is only available to the leadership.

https://ldsmormonhandbookofinstructions.wordpress.com/

]]> By: lds bishops hand book | Blog about Books http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/comment-page-2/#comment-26905 lds bishops hand book | Blog about Books Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:16:22 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/#comment-26905 [...] LDS Church Handbook of Instructions available via WikiLeaks | Mind … May 28, 2008 … The bishop and stake president submit an Application to the First Presidency form to seek this cancellation. …. lds church handbook available on the internet (mormonism) [...] … [...] [...] LDS Church Handbook of Instructions available via WikiLeaks | Mind … May 28, 2008 … The bishop and stake president submit an Application to the First Presidency form to seek this cancellation. …. lds church handbook available on the internet (mormonism) [...] … [...]

]]> By: Becky http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/comment-page-2/#comment-26811 Becky Sun, 27 Feb 2011 16:47:38 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/#comment-26811 Just thought you'd like to know that the Church Handbook is available on lds.org. Just thought you’d like to know that the Church Handbook is available on lds.org.

]]> By: xJane http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/comment-page-2/#comment-26764 xJane Tue, 01 Feb 2011 01:06:26 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/#comment-26764 BIONERD: actually, if you look at human mating plugs, you might conclude that poly<i>andry</i> is closer to what humans evolved to practice. BIONERD: actually, if you look at human mating plugs, you might conclude that polyandry is closer to what humans evolved to practice.

]]> By: BIONERD http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/comment-page-2/#comment-26758 BIONERD Fri, 28 Jan 2011 21:11:04 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/#comment-26758 I am not a Mormon, and I would consider myself Agnostic if not Atheist...but the Mormons view of polygamy seems to be pretty close to what "God" intended when she created humans. From a purely biological standpoint (a very simplified version), Men can make lots and lots and lots of babies...while women can make very few in comparison. One man can make an infinite amount of babies with an infinite amount of women. That's how they were created. It almost seems that we were made to practice polygamy in some way. Anyhow...I just wanted to give another opinion. I am not a Mormon, and I would consider myself Agnostic if not Atheist…but the Mormons view of polygamy seems to be pretty close to what “God” intended when she created humans. From a purely biological standpoint (a very simplified version), Men can make lots and lots and lots of babies…while women can make very few in comparison. One man can make an infinite amount of babies with an infinite amount of women. That’s how they were created. It almost seems that we were made to practice polygamy in some way. Anyhow…I just wanted to give another opinion.

]]> By: mormonzealot http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/comment-page-2/#comment-26553 mormonzealot Wed, 29 Dec 2010 14:01:24 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/#comment-26553 It seems to most of fail to realize a few things that are obvious... let's seee.. just something you need observe is that the your railing and disrespecting others beliefs when you don't understand them, the way your doing now, without the book. What makes you think you'd be any kinder when you had the book . You poke fun and call names on subjects you don't believe in nor understand now so why would anyone give you more information on things you don't like? Just so you can belittle them further? Now wouldn't that be rather idiotic? It seems to most of fail to realize a few things that are obvious… let’s seee.. just something you need observe is that the your railing and disrespecting others beliefs when you don’t understand them, the way your doing now, without the book. What makes you think you’d be any kinder when you had the book . You poke fun and call names on subjects you don’t believe in nor understand now so why would anyone give you more information on things you don’t like? Just so you can belittle them further? Now wouldn’t that be rather idiotic?

]]> By: Claire http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/comment-page-2/#comment-26543 Claire Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:25:01 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/#comment-26543 Hello dear friends! I have been trying to find "Mormon Church Handbook of Instructions" and could not find the original text anywhere... does anyone have a copy by any chance? if you do or know when i can get one please email me at parisdaylight@gmail.com thanks a lot in advance! Claire Hello dear friends!

I have been trying to find “Mormon Church Handbook of Instructions” and could not find the original text anywhere… does anyone have a copy by any chance?

if you do or know when i can get one please email me at parisdaylight@gmail.com

thanks a lot in advance!

Claire

]]> By: Kari http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/comment-page-2/#comment-26513 Kari Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:09:48 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/#comment-26513 I will defend the right of Catholics to believe what they want, but I will also reveal its secrets so that people know the truth of what they “believe”—and I will fight to keep its tenets from becoming law in my country. What country is being created that is going to force a religion on it's citizens? I will defend the right of Catholics to believe what they want, but I will also reveal its secrets so that people know the truth of what they “believe”—and I will fight to keep its tenets from becoming law in my country.

What country is being created that is going to force a religion on it’s citizens?

]]> By: WhatILOVEaboutLIFE http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/comment-page-2/#comment-26509 WhatILOVEaboutLIFE Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:48:15 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/#comment-26509 ps.. I love rick poling! i dont know who you are but VERY well said! ps.. I love rick poling! i dont know who you are but VERY well said!

]]> By: WhatILOVEaboutLIFE http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/comment-page-2/#comment-26508 WhatILOVEaboutLIFE Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:42:07 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/#comment-26508 I completely agree with softchair. I know from experience that the mormon church has the best intentions for everyone in mind. If you have been hurt turn to Christ. And remeber that his church is run by people. We will never say that we dont make mistakes. We all do. Christ is Perfect. Not his people, that is what we are striving for. Women as well as Men are Gods Children. Do visit. And remember you get out what you put in, someone made the comment that their chilren werent having great experiences or what not at youngmen/youngwomen. Keep trying and striving,.. and again YOUR GET OUT what you PUT IN. live life with integrity and ethics. and you'll be happy. Thats what everyone is serching for... right? I completely agree with softchair. I know from experience that the mormon church has the best intentions for everyone in mind. If you have been hurt turn to Christ. And remeber that his church is run by people. We will never say that we dont make mistakes. We all do. Christ is Perfect. Not his people, that is what we are striving for. Women as well as Men are Gods Children. Do visit. And remember you get out what you put in, someone made the comment that their chilren werent having great experiences or what not at youngmen/youngwomen. Keep trying and striving,.. and again YOUR GET OUT what you PUT IN. live life with integrity and ethics. and you’ll be happy. Thats what everyone is serching for… right?

]]> By: Well spoken http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/comment-page-2/#comment-26507 Well spoken Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:13:05 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/05/28/lds-church-handbook-of-instructions-available-via-wikileaks/#comment-26507 Well spoken Soft Chairs. I had never noticed that before. John this book is not a secret it is public we can all get our hands on a copy. Probably for free, it was once taught in my sunday school class. Again i say it. IT IS NOT A SECRET, you can get one from your bishop. Well spoken Soft Chairs. I had never noticed that before.
John this book is not a secret it is public we can all get our hands on a copy. Probably for free, it was once taught in my sunday school class. Again i say it. IT IS NOT A SECRET, you can get one from your bishop.

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