Comments on: My Brief Sojourn Among Mormon Feminists http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/04/08/my-brief-sojourn-among-the-mormon-feminists/ Religion, SF, and Other Speculative Fictions. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:55:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Kaimi http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/04/08/my-brief-sojourn-among-the-mormon-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-17383 Kaimi Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:20:42 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/?p=1051#comment-17383 Yes, but I had more words than you did. :P (Wait. Is that a good thing?) Yes, but I had more words than you did. :P

(Wait. Is that a good thing?)

]]> By: wren http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/04/08/my-brief-sojourn-among-the-mormon-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-16738 wren Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:30:39 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/?p=1051#comment-16738 I agree, Tiffney. It would be difficult to be a feminist and even stay on the fringe. That's probably why some leave churches altogether or retreat somewhat from their feminist stances to keep a foot in church dogma. I agree, Tiffney. It would be difficult to be a feminist and even stay on the fringe. That’s probably why some leave churches altogether or retreat somewhat from their feminist stances to keep a foot in church dogma.

]]> By: Tiffney http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/04/08/my-brief-sojourn-among-the-mormon-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-16393 Tiffney Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:36:06 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/?p=1051#comment-16393 It totally makes sense. By default a feminist Mormon or Mormon feminist has to exist on the fringes of the religion. You cannot believe in the equality of men and women and be in line with doctrine. It totally makes sense. By default a feminist Mormon or Mormon feminist has to exist on the fringes of the religion. You cannot believe in the equality of men and women and be in line with doctrine.

]]> By: Ziff http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/04/08/my-brief-sojourn-among-the-mormon-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-16257 Ziff Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:50:21 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/?p=1051#comment-16257 John, I'm so happy to see that all my number-crunching was actually useful in some small way in spurring you to reflect on your time in the bloggernacle. I echo Kiskilili: you're always welcome at ZD! John, I’m so happy to see that all my number-crunching was actually useful in some small way in spurring you to reflect on your time in the bloggernacle. I echo Kiskilili: you’re always welcome at ZD!

]]> By: xJane http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/04/08/my-brief-sojourn-among-the-mormon-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-16226 xJane Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:59:47 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/?p=1051#comment-16226 Kiskilili,<blockquote>I seemingly write extremely long posts and then respond to myself with extremely long comments.</blockquote>I think that's one of the best things about blogging: the ability to think out loud. Many of these questions (of religion, of gender) require not answers but discussions. I'm not all the way on one side of the fence or the other on either issue, though I consider myself "atheist" and "feminist". But the more introspective each of us becomes, the better all around. As the lone ex-Catholic around here, I have to say that I found so many parallels in John's journey that I stuck around. My mother used to have to tell people that she was not Mormon but Catholic (the six children & pantry were apparently dead giveaways), but there are also similarities in the insularity the religious community creates. MoF is my Weekly Meeting. Kiskilili,
I seemingly write extremely long posts and then respond to myself with extremely long comments.

I think that’s one of the best things about blogging: the ability to think out loud. Many of these questions (of religion, of gender) require not answers but discussions. I’m not all the way on one side of the fence or the other on either issue, though I consider myself “atheist” and “feminist”. But the more introspective each of us becomes, the better all around.

As the lone ex-Catholic around here, I have to say that I found so many parallels in John’s journey that I stuck around. My mother used to have to tell people that she was not Mormon but Catholic (the six children & pantry were apparently dead giveaways), but there are also similarities in the insularity the religious community creates. MoF is my Weekly Meeting.

]]> By: Jana http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/04/08/my-brief-sojourn-among-the-mormon-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-16149 Jana Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:49:41 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/?p=1051#comment-16149 John: I think the significance of these numbers is that your voice is a unique and desirable one within the bloggernacle. I know you don't feel much like you fit in anymore, but I do hope you'll continue adding your voice on occasion! John:
I think the significance of these numbers is that your voice is a unique and desirable one within the bloggernacle. I know you don’t feel much like you fit in anymore, but I do hope you’ll continue adding your voice on occasion!

]]> By: Lessie http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/04/08/my-brief-sojourn-among-the-mormon-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-16147 Lessie Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:23:24 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/?p=1051#comment-16147 You left out your "Renegotiating Marriage and Faith (Our Journey). That post was key to giving me the strength to walk away from what was becoming a very dangerous religion for me. And Kiskilili, around the same time, I stumbled on your "My Journey to Apostasy" post. I can't tell you guys how much it helped to find others who had made the decisions I was considering, and had come out all right on the other side. And to think Lisa, so many wonderful people would never have found each other if not for you (because my own blogging career began with FMH). You're incredible. You left out your “Renegotiating Marriage and Faith (Our Journey). That post was key to giving me the strength to walk away from what was becoming a very dangerous religion for me.

And Kiskilili, around the same time, I stumbled on your “My Journey to Apostasy” post. I can’t tell you guys how much it helped to find others who had made the decisions I was considering, and had come out all right on the other side.

And to think Lisa, so many wonderful people would never have found each other if not for you (because my own blogging career began with FMH). You’re incredible.

]]> By: Kiskilili http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/04/08/my-brief-sojourn-among-the-mormon-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-16128 Kiskilili Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:43:55 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/?p=1051#comment-16128 You're of course always welcome on ZD--we have a particular fondness for feminist heretics. :) And your guest-post stint definitely deserved the attention it got. You're the absolute model male feminist; the bloggernacle needs more people like you. My own posts are, apparently, not only unusually long, but tend to elicit unusually long comments. What this number crunching doesn't reveal, though, is that many of those comments I wrote myself. Hmmm . . . embarrassing tendency to navel gaze? I seemingly write extremely long posts and then respond to myself with extremely long comments. Like you, since I apostatized I feel fairly marginal in the bloggernacle. This isn't something I either resent or regret--I don't necessarily share the assumptions that most bloggers bring to the discussion, and definitely don't share the devotional commitment, so in general I try to confine myself to ZD. If you ever find yourself in the Boston area again, we should definitely get together! You’re of course always welcome on ZD–we have a particular fondness for feminist heretics. :)

And your guest-post stint definitely deserved the attention it got. You’re the absolute model male feminist; the bloggernacle needs more people like you.

My own posts are, apparently, not only unusually long, but tend to elicit unusually long comments. What this number crunching doesn’t reveal, though, is that many of those comments I wrote myself. Hmmm . . . embarrassing tendency to navel gaze? I seemingly write extremely long posts and then respond to myself with extremely long comments.

Like you, since I apostatized I feel fairly marginal in the bloggernacle. This isn’t something I either resent or regret–I don’t necessarily share the assumptions that most bloggers bring to the discussion, and definitely don’t share the devotional commitment, so in general I try to confine myself to ZD.

If you ever find yourself in the Boston area again, we should definitely get together!

]]> By: fMhLisa http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/04/08/my-brief-sojourn-among-the-mormon-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-16113 fMhLisa Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:38:42 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/?p=1051#comment-16113 No, thank you John. You give me hope for all Man-kind. I've encountered very few men willing to look their privilege in the eye as unflinchingly at you do, and it means a lot to me that you are willing to share that with the rest of us. No, thank you John. You give me hope for all Man-kind. I’ve encountered very few men willing to look their privilege in the eye as unflinchingly at you do, and it means a lot to me that you are willing to share that with the rest of us.

]]> By: John http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/04/08/my-brief-sojourn-among-the-mormon-feminists/comment-page-1/#comment-16112 John Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:28:36 +0000 http://www.mindonfire.com/?p=1051#comment-16112 FWIW, I still consider myself 100% feminist. Just not so much Mormon any more. FWIW, I still consider myself 100% feminist. Just not so much Mormon any more.

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