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	<title>Comments on: Science vs. Religion</title>
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	<description>Religion, SF, and Other Speculative Fictions.</description>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/03/31/science-vs-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-15320</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether the divine can be proven or disproven depends entirely upon what one is willing to accept as truth.
Science considers all evidence that can be analyzed.
Atheists consider all evidence that can be analyzed.
Religion considers only the evidence that promotes faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether the divine can be proven or disproven depends entirely upon what one is willing to accept as truth.<br />
Science considers all evidence that can be analyzed.<br />
Atheists consider all evidence that can be analyzed.<br />
Religion considers only the evidence that promotes faith.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/03/31/science-vs-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-15090</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No apologies necessary! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No apologies necessary! <img src='http://www.mindonfire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/03/31/science-vs-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-15079</link>
		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops!  I don&#039;t know why I thought you wrote that post, John.  Reading too late at night, I guess.  Apologies to you and to xJane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops!  I don&#8217;t know why I thought you wrote that post, John.  Reading too late at night, I guess.  Apologies to you and to xJane.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/03/31/science-vs-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-15073</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m familiar with Gould, but I need to track down this Polkinghorn.  Oh, and I thought of one more way that people make peace between religion and science: they accept outright contradictions.  Humans are good at this.  

Oh, I should point out that I can&#039;t take credit for xJane&#039;s post. :)  But I think that we don&#039;t cover this complexity often enough.  I tend to feed into the binary opposition with my anti-creationist rants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m familiar with Gould, but I need to track down this Polkinghorn.  Oh, and I thought of one more way that people make peace between religion and science: they accept outright contradictions.  Humans are good at this.  </p>
<p>Oh, I should point out that I can&#8217;t take credit for xJane&#8217;s post. <img src='http://www.mindonfire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   But I think that we don&#8217;t cover this complexity often enough.  I tend to feed into the binary opposition with my anti-creationist rants.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/03/31/science-vs-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-15037</link>
		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never could understand why some religious folks have such a problem with science.  Even in my most religious days, I didn&#039;t see any conflict between beliving in God and accepting that science the best way to understand how the world and the universe work (and that includes accepting an ancient earth and in evolution).

The push and pull between the two have fascinated me ever since I realized that there is not a harmonious coexistence in many people&#039;s minds.  And I&#039;ve read some interesting things on both sides of the debate.  Stephen Jay Gould&#039;s &quot;Rocks of Ages&quot; is a good introduction to his idea that science and religion are what he called &quot;non-overlapping magesteria&quot; and don&#039;t really have much of value to say to each other.  

On the other hand, Sir John Polkinghorne has some interesting things to say about the side of the argument which holds that science and religion do have things to say to each other. Polkinghorne comes at it from an interesting perspective: he was a physicist in his first career, then after he retired he became an Anglican priest.  While I don&#039;t accept some of his premises, I found his work to be thought-provoking, which I think is always a good thing.

I think, John, that among those on both sides of the divide between science and religion, you are right that those who take a hard line against the opposite side need to just agree to disagree and move on rather than each side trying to demonize the other (and that does go on on both sides from time to time).  But, as you say in your comment, it is a hugely complex topic that doesn&#039;t get the play it deserves in the media and so most people are left with the (mistaken) impression that all religious people hate science and all scientists hate religion.  I know that isn&#039;t true, and it kind of bothers me that so many people believe that it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never could understand why some religious folks have such a problem with science.  Even in my most religious days, I didn&#8217;t see any conflict between beliving in God and accepting that science the best way to understand how the world and the universe work (and that includes accepting an ancient earth and in evolution).</p>
<p>The push and pull between the two have fascinated me ever since I realized that there is not a harmonious coexistence in many people&#8217;s minds.  And I&#8217;ve read some interesting things on both sides of the debate.  Stephen Jay Gould&#8217;s &#8220;Rocks of Ages&#8221; is a good introduction to his idea that science and religion are what he called &#8220;non-overlapping magesteria&#8221; and don&#8217;t really have much of value to say to each other.  </p>
<p>On the other hand, Sir John Polkinghorne has some interesting things to say about the side of the argument which holds that science and religion do have things to say to each other. Polkinghorne comes at it from an interesting perspective: he was a physicist in his first career, then after he retired he became an Anglican priest.  While I don&#8217;t accept some of his premises, I found his work to be thought-provoking, which I think is always a good thing.</p>
<p>I think, John, that among those on both sides of the divide between science and religion, you are right that those who take a hard line against the opposite side need to just agree to disagree and move on rather than each side trying to demonize the other (and that does go on on both sides from time to time).  But, as you say in your comment, it is a hugely complex topic that doesn&#8217;t get the play it deserves in the media and so most people are left with the (mistaken) impression that all religious people hate science and all scientists hate religion.  I know that isn&#8217;t true, and it kind of bothers me that so many people believe that it is.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/03/31/science-vs-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-15020</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is definitely waaaay more complex than media typically makes it out to be.  There are science-friendly approaches to religion and god; many adherents and clergy have healthy respect for scientific research. welcome doubt, questioning and seeking.  On the other hand, there are religious attitudes and beliefs that are down right hostile to scientific progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is definitely waaaay more complex than media typically makes it out to be.  There are science-friendly approaches to religion and god; many adherents and clergy have healthy respect for scientific research. welcome doubt, questioning and seeking.  On the other hand, there are religious attitudes and beliefs that are down right hostile to scientific progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/03/31/science-vs-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-14977</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only religious speculations were confined to the metaphysical, this agreeing to disagree might be possible. Regrettably we have Intelligent Design, the prosperity gospel, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.madison.com/tct/news/stories/278693&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;children dying because they their parents refuse medical treatment&lt;/a&gt;. All of these beliefs rooted in metaphysical speculation have consequences in the physical world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only religious speculations were confined to the metaphysical, this agreeing to disagree might be possible. Regrettably we have Intelligent Design, the prosperity gospel, and <a href="http://www.madison.com/tct/news/stories/278693" rel="nofollow">children dying because they their parents refuse medical treatment</a>. All of these beliefs rooted in metaphysical speculation have consequences in the physical world.</p>
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