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	<title>Comments on: Leaving the Garden: Isaac&#8217;s Journey</title>
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		<title>By: Baptism &#124; Mind on Fire</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/02/22/leaving-the-garden-isaacs-journey/comment-page-1/#comment-11784</link>
		<dc:creator>Baptism &#124; Mind on Fire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Isaac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the comments everyone!

Rich, my pleasure.

catbonny, Maybe we should get baptism stories together?  Probably some interesting ones in there, heh.  I&#039;ve been looking a lot a Quakerism and I plan on going to a meeting or two.

xJane, Interesting about the baptism.  Would you say, though, that Confirmation plays into the part about you not getting asked?  You get baptised young, and then when you are old enough to properly accept it, you do?  Or is that wholely too simplistic?

I also ask myself the same question about what would have been different had the question been different.  And I honestly don&#039;t know the answer, but the pastor was so rude I doubt it would have mattered.  I don&#039;t remember exactly how old I was, but probably in the neighborhood of 14 or 15.  The thing that got me was not so much the rules--I can understand not wanting to have mad, sue happy parents on your hands, but the way it was handled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the comments everyone!</p>
<p>Rich, my pleasure.</p>
<p>catbonny, Maybe we should get baptism stories together?  Probably some interesting ones in there, heh.  I&#8217;ve been looking a lot a Quakerism and I plan on going to a meeting or two.</p>
<p>xJane, Interesting about the baptism.  Would you say, though, that Confirmation plays into the part about you not getting asked?  You get baptised young, and then when you are old enough to properly accept it, you do?  Or is that wholely too simplistic?</p>
<p>I also ask myself the same question about what would have been different had the question been different.  And I honestly don&#8217;t know the answer, but the pastor was so rude I doubt it would have mattered.  I don&#8217;t remember exactly how old I was, but probably in the neighborhood of 14 or 15.  The thing that got me was not so much the rules&#8211;I can understand not wanting to have mad, sue happy parents on your hands, but the way it was handled.</p>
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		<title>By: xJane</title>
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		<dc:creator>xJane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, there&#039;s something wrong with a baptism that smells of chlorine. I like catbonny&#039;s experience, though: the ocean, how wonderful! I was baptized by the same man who confirmed me, the Franciscan Abbot who was my priest&#039;s superior (in the Catholic church, you have to be baptized by a bishop, but an abbot counts)...as long as we&#039;re sharing baptism stories. I certainly don&#039;t remember it, I wasn&#039;t asked if I knew I was getting baptized...

Isaac, I find this very interesting: that you were refused baptism because your parents did not &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt;. I wonder, had you answered that they knew but did not approve, if you would have been allowed baptism. How old were you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, there&#8217;s something wrong with a baptism that smells of chlorine. I like catbonny&#8217;s experience, though: the ocean, how wonderful! I was baptized by the same man who confirmed me, the Franciscan Abbot who was my priest&#8217;s superior (in the Catholic church, you have to be baptized by a bishop, but an abbot counts)&#8230;as long as we&#8217;re sharing baptism stories. I certainly don&#8217;t remember it, I wasn&#8217;t asked if I knew I was getting baptized&#8230;</p>
<p>Isaac, I find this very interesting: that you were refused baptism because your parents did not <i>know</i>. I wonder, had you answered that they knew but did not approve, if you would have been allowed baptism. How old were you?</p>
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		<title>By: catbonny</title>
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		<dc:creator>catbonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 07:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got baptized in the Atlantic Ocean by my mom&#039;s pastor and the only reason he did it was because my youth pastor decided not to show up to my baptism.  Weird, huh?  I just thought I would share.

I really like what you said about religion being based on individual and community experiences rather than existing under church authority.  I have found that my main problem with church authority is that the people in authority tend to fail the people they have authority over (probably because they are just human.)  I find a lot of peace in Quakerism because it IS based on a very individual experience and because there is no one telling me what I have to do I can figure it out for myself.

Thanks for sharing your story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got baptized in the Atlantic Ocean by my mom&#8217;s pastor and the only reason he did it was because my youth pastor decided not to show up to my baptism.  Weird, huh?  I just thought I would share.</p>
<p>I really like what you said about religion being based on individual and community experiences rather than existing under church authority.  I have found that my main problem with church authority is that the people in authority tend to fail the people they have authority over (probably because they are just human.)  I find a lot of peace in Quakerism because it IS based on a very individual experience and because there is no one telling me what I have to do I can figure it out for myself.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your story.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 02:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting and thoughtfully written; thanks for sharing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting and thoughtfully written; thanks for sharing!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Leaving the Garden &#124; UNCOUTH.NET</dc:creator>
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