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		<title>By: C. L. Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/02/14/blame-the-victim/comment-page-1/#comment-10965</link>
		<dc:creator>C. L. Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry if that sounds harsh (and I hope it won&#039;t make me too unpopular on your blog), but I have a huge problem with women judging other women&#039;s sexual choices and accusing them of things like &quot;buying into subjugation-as-freedom.&quot;   To explain my position a little better, I&#039;ve just put up a new post today on &lt;a href=&quot;http://lfab-uvm.blogspot.com/2008/02/come-on-baby-wont-you-show-some-class.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;female sexuality, class, and &quot;objectification&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry if that sounds harsh (and I hope it won&#8217;t make me too unpopular on your blog), but I have a huge problem with women judging other women&#8217;s sexual choices and accusing them of things like &#8220;buying into subjugation-as-freedom.&#8221;   To explain my position a little better, I&#8217;ve just put up a new post today on <a href="http://lfab-uvm.blogspot.com/2008/02/come-on-baby-wont-you-show-some-class.html" rel="nofollow">female sexuality, class, and &#8220;objectification&#8221;</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: xJane</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/02/14/blame-the-victim/comment-page-1/#comment-10614</link>
		<dc:creator>xJane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that some of the points the article makes have merit, even if I disagree with the place from which it comes:&lt;blockquote&gt;Given our environment of rampant consumerism, &quot;it was almost inevitable that human beings would become the &#039;ultimate&#039; consumer product,&quot; said Alvare. &quot;Women&#039;s physical beauty and sexual complementarity with men make them particularly desirable in a commercial economy.&quot; [...] However, she continued, &quot;the degree to which women, individually and via organized groups, have embraced their own objectification as consumer items is a particularly disturbing feature of our current situation.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;This is obviously a heterosexist remark made by someone who doesn&#039;t even understand original sin (Adam had &quot;domination&quot; before he sinned: it was &lt;i&gt;commanded&lt;/i&gt; of him by God). It was an interesting remark, to me, because it mirrors feminist discussions of women&#039;s participation in their own subjugation. I find it especially interesting because it&#039;s clearly written by a woman who buys into subjugation-as-freedom. It&#039;s like she&#039;s had a moment of clarity but can&#039;t quite figure out what to do with it.

It may be tripe as a whole, but I found it an interesting footnote to the Hathor article: here is a woman in the situation discussed in Hathor making (some) similar points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that some of the points the article makes have merit, even if I disagree with the place from which it comes:<br />
<blockquote>Given our environment of rampant consumerism, &#8220;it was almost inevitable that human beings would become the &#8216;ultimate&#8217; consumer product,&#8221; said Alvare. &#8220;Women&#8217;s physical beauty and sexual complementarity with men make them particularly desirable in a commercial economy.&#8221; [...] However, she continued, &#8220;the degree to which women, individually and via organized groups, have embraced their own objectification as consumer items is a particularly disturbing feature of our current situation.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>This is obviously a heterosexist remark made by someone who doesn&#8217;t even understand original sin (Adam had &#8220;domination&#8221; before he sinned: it was <i>commanded</i> of him by God). It was an interesting remark, to me, because it mirrors feminist discussions of women&#8217;s participation in their own subjugation. I find it especially interesting because it&#8217;s clearly written by a woman who buys into subjugation-as-freedom. It&#8217;s like she&#8217;s had a moment of clarity but can&#8217;t quite figure out what to do with it.</p>
<p>It may be tripe as a whole, but I found it an interesting footnote to the Hathor article: here is a woman in the situation discussed in Hathor making (some) similar points.</p>
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		<title>By: C. L. Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/02/14/blame-the-victim/comment-page-1/#comment-10603</link>
		<dc:creator>C. L. Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the Zenit article:

&#039;This type of feminism &quot;drew upon the worst features of male behavior for its prescriptions. Thus was the feminist woman urged to be a sexually adventurous, marriage-and-children-spurning, money and career driven, creature,&quot; Alvare concluded. &quot;Feminism urged women to imitate the male version of original sin -- domination -- to attain equality and happiness.&quot;&#039;

Sorry, but WTF do building a career, financial goals, and remaining single have to do with &quot;Objectification&quot;?

Please say you&#039;re not imagining there are some deep insights somewhere in this article.  It&#039;s pure gibberish, as should be obvious from the very first line where they explain how &quot;Objectification&quot; is caused by &quot;Original Sin.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Zenit article:</p>
<p>&#8216;This type of feminism &#8220;drew upon the worst features of male behavior for its prescriptions. Thus was the feminist woman urged to be a sexually adventurous, marriage-and-children-spurning, money and career driven, creature,&#8221; Alvare concluded. &#8220;Feminism urged women to imitate the male version of original sin &#8212; domination &#8212; to attain equality and happiness.&#8221;&#8216;</p>
<p>Sorry, but WTF do building a career, financial goals, and remaining single have to do with &#8220;Objectification&#8221;?</p>
<p>Please say you&#8217;re not imagining there are some deep insights somewhere in this article.  It&#8217;s pure gibberish, as should be obvious from the very first line where they explain how &#8220;Objectification&#8221; is caused by &#8220;Original Sin.&#8221;</p>
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