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		<title>By: mrgoodjob</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrgoodjob</dc:creator>
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		<description>I would add:

Carl Sagan&#039;s Demon Haunted World - This book awakened me, not from theism, but from complacency.

Pascal Boyer&#039;s Religion Explained - Unbelievably clear account of why some religious notions get committed to memory and transmitted and some don&#039;t.

Dan Dennett&#039;s Breaking the Spell - Makes the case that comparative religions should be compulsory in US curriculum. Suggests this approach would water down dogmatic beliefs.

W.K. Clifford&#039;s The Ethics of Belief - Makes the case that in order to have a &#039;right to believe&#039; something you must defend your method at arriving at such knowledge claims. It is not religious conclusions that are wrong per se, it is the method that is wrong (faith).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add:</p>
<p>Carl Sagan&#8217;s Demon Haunted World &#8211; This book awakened me, not from theism, but from complacency.</p>
<p>Pascal Boyer&#8217;s Religion Explained &#8211; Unbelievably clear account of why some religious notions get committed to memory and transmitted and some don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Dan Dennett&#8217;s Breaking the Spell &#8211; Makes the case that comparative religions should be compulsory in US curriculum. Suggests this approach would water down dogmatic beliefs.</p>
<p>W.K. Clifford&#8217;s The Ethics of Belief &#8211; Makes the case that in order to have a &#8216;right to believe&#8217; something you must defend your method at arriving at such knowledge claims. It is not religious conclusions that are wrong per se, it is the method that is wrong (faith).</p>
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		<title>By: Brooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool list. I&#039;ve only read one of those (Potok). Thanks for sharing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool list. I&#8217;ve only read one of those (Potok). Thanks for sharing!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you liked &lt;em&gt;My Name Is Asher Lev&lt;/em&gt;, you might also enjoy two of Potok&#039;s other novels, &lt;em&gt;The Chosen&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;The Promise&lt;/em&gt;.  They have similar themes.

I also like the skeptical themes present in Elie Wiesel&#039;s trilogy--&lt;em&gt;Night&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Dawn&lt;/em&gt;, and &lt;em&gt;Day&lt;/em&gt;.  Wiesel lost his faith in Auschwitz, and explores his doubts beautifully in these three works.

I just bought Norman Mailer&#039;s novel &lt;em&gt;The Gospel According to the Son&lt;/em&gt;, which looks interesting, but I haven&#039;t gotten to it yet.  Has anyone read it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you liked <em>My Name Is Asher Lev</em>, you might also enjoy two of Potok&#8217;s other novels, <em>The Chosen</em> and <em>The Promise</em>.  They have similar themes.</p>
<p>I also like the skeptical themes present in Elie Wiesel&#8217;s trilogy&#8211;<em>Night</em>, <em>Dawn</em>, and <em>Day</em>.  Wiesel lost his faith in Auschwitz, and explores his doubts beautifully in these three works.</p>
<p>I just bought Norman Mailer&#8217;s novel <em>The Gospel According to the Son</em>, which looks interesting, but I haven&#8217;t gotten to it yet.  Has anyone read it?</p>
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		<title>By: xJane</title>
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		<dc:creator>xJane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ooo, all these sound delicious! I&#039;d like to add a few:

&lt;i&gt;Sophie&#039;s World&lt;/i&gt;, Jostein Gaarder
I&#039;ve a copy of it in English, which I&#039;m not too certain how easy it is to by, since it&#039;s a Norwegian book originally; but it&#039;s been widely translated. It&#039;s a great introduction to philosophy (as in, the art of thinking). Even a non-philosopher like you, John, ought to like it. It&#039;s written, however, for CatGirl, so you now have an excuse to buy &lt;strike&gt;her&lt;/strike&gt; yourself a copy!

&lt;i&gt;Good Omens&lt;/i&gt;, Neil Gaiman &amp; Terry Pratchett
Just about anything by Terry Pratchett contains surprising insights into religion &amp; doubt (his Discworld is what it sounds like, held up by elephants standing on a turtle...) done in an irreverent &amp; humorous manner, which always helps. &lt;i&gt;Omens&lt;/i&gt;, however, includes Neil Gaiman&#039;s twisted view of the universe. Together, they&#039;re a dynamite combination &amp; I wish they had done more stuff in collaboration. This is the chronicle of the End Times: the Great Battle between Good and Evil and Other Capital Ideas.

&lt;i&gt;Eat, Pray, Love&lt;/i&gt;, Elizabeth Gilbert
I can&#039;t enthuse about this book enough. I&#039;m about 90 pages into and have been telling everyone I know (and here, some I don&#039;t) to read it. Go read it. It&#039;s a history of her own struggle with doubt &amp;, eventually, discovery of yoga.

in that vein, I&#039;ll suggest
&lt;i&gt;Prayer of Heart &amp; Body&lt;/i&gt;, Thomas Ryan
for xian yogis. I got this for my sister after I read it because she was having a crisis of faith since she loved yoga but knew it was a path toward Satan. Ryan is a priest of some flavor that has a great breakdown about what can be learned from the practice of yoga and brought into just about any meditative practice.

That&#039;s it for now...I&#039;ll have to read many more books this year, it seems!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ooo, all these sound delicious! I&#8217;d like to add a few:</p>
<p><i>Sophie&#8217;s World</i>, Jostein Gaarder<br />
I&#8217;ve a copy of it in English, which I&#8217;m not too certain how easy it is to by, since it&#8217;s a Norwegian book originally; but it&#8217;s been widely translated. It&#8217;s a great introduction to philosophy (as in, the art of thinking). Even a non-philosopher like you, John, ought to like it. It&#8217;s written, however, for CatGirl, so you now have an excuse to buy <strike>her</strike> yourself a copy!</p>
<p><i>Good Omens</i>, Neil Gaiman &#038; Terry Pratchett<br />
Just about anything by Terry Pratchett contains surprising insights into religion &#038; doubt (his Discworld is what it sounds like, held up by elephants standing on a turtle&#8230;) done in an irreverent &#038; humorous manner, which always helps. <i>Omens</i>, however, includes Neil Gaiman&#8217;s twisted view of the universe. Together, they&#8217;re a dynamite combination &#038; I wish they had done more stuff in collaboration. This is the chronicle of the End Times: the Great Battle between Good and Evil and Other Capital Ideas.</p>
<p><i>Eat, Pray, Love</i>, Elizabeth Gilbert<br />
I can&#8217;t enthuse about this book enough. I&#8217;m about 90 pages into and have been telling everyone I know (and here, some I don&#8217;t) to read it. Go read it. It&#8217;s a history of her own struggle with doubt &#038;, eventually, discovery of yoga.</p>
<p>in that vein, I&#8217;ll suggest<br />
<i>Prayer of Heart &#038; Body</i>, Thomas Ryan<br />
for xian yogis. I got this for my sister after I read it because she was having a crisis of faith since she loved yoga but knew it was a path toward Satan. Ryan is a priest of some flavor that has a great breakdown about what can be learned from the practice of yoga and brought into just about any meditative practice.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s it for now&#8230;I&#8217;ll have to read many more books this year, it seems!</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t think of any new suggestions off-hand, but I do want to enthusiastically second the two selections on your list, John, that I have read...&quot;Cosmos&quot; and &quot;My Name is Asher Lev&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t think of any new suggestions off-hand, but I do want to enthusiastically second the two selections on your list, John, that I have read&#8230;&#8221;Cosmos&#8221; and &#8220;My Name is Asher Lev&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
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		<description>MarkII, I&#039;m reading a separate Shermer book (Why Darwin Matters) and I love the clarity of his writing style.

Rich, no worries!  Also, I remember reading somewhere (Elaine&#039;s blog?) that you had read &quot;The Cats of Ulthar&quot; to your kids--I did the same for mine last year!

I&#039;m going to let the comments gather a few more responses, then I&#039;ll promote everyone&#039;s suggestions to post-level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MarkII, I&#8217;m reading a separate Shermer book (Why Darwin Matters) and I love the clarity of his writing style.</p>
<p>Rich, no worries!  Also, I remember reading somewhere (Elaine&#8217;s blog?) that you had read &#8220;The Cats of Ulthar&#8221; to your kids&#8211;I did the same for mine last year!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to let the comments gather a few more responses, then I&#8217;ll promote everyone&#8217;s suggestions to post-level.</p>
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		<title>By: Elise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 06:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a bit disheartened to have to say I have read none of these. However, I certainly would like to and will add them to my very long list of books to read in my lifetime. And try to re-commit myself to reading in 2008, since it&#039;s taken a back burner lately....

I would recommend &quot;The Art of Possibility&quot;, which I am working on but haven&#039;t finished. The basic idea is just what the title suggests - a sort of spirituality that involves recognizing the possibilities in ourselves and others, and being enlightened by doing so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit disheartened to have to say I have read none of these. However, I certainly would like to and will add them to my very long list of books to read in my lifetime. And try to re-commit myself to reading in 2008, since it&#8217;s taken a back burner lately&#8230;.</p>
<p>I would recommend &#8220;The Art of Possibility&#8221;, which I am working on but haven&#8217;t finished. The basic idea is just what the title suggests &#8211; a sort of spirituality that involves recognizing the possibilities in ourselves and others, and being enlightened by doing so.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, my bad.  I should have said I&#039;m (still) a theist, not (strictly) a deist, though there&#039;s a bit of that in me as well, FWIW  (and please substitute &quot;theist&quot; for &quot;deist&quot; throughout my earlier comment).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, my bad.  I should have said I&#8217;m (still) a theist, not (strictly) a deist, though there&#8217;s a bit of that in me as well, FWIW  (and please substitute &#8220;theist&#8221; for &#8220;deist&#8221; throughout my earlier comment).</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, my bad.  I should have said I&#039;m (still) a theist, not (strictly) a deist, though there&#039;s a bit of that in me as well, FWIW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, my bad.  I should have said I&#8217;m (still) a theist, not (strictly) a deist, though there&#8217;s a bit of that in me as well, FWIW.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I&#039;m delighted to see Lovecraft in the midst of all these books!  More than a little surprising, but oddly refreshing. :o)  (I probably own most of his works, and what I don&#039;t own, you can probably find online &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Howard_Phillips_Lovecraft&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;

I know I&#039;m repeating myself here, but Sagan&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Demon-Haunted-World-Science-Candle-Dark/dp/0345409469/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1199550226&amp;sr=8-2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Demon Haunted World&lt;/a&gt; surely fits this list.

As one of the (apparently few) deists here, (and in the spirit of Obama&#039;s getting away from polarizing politics), I will again strongly recommend E. O. Wilson&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Creation-Appeal-Save-Life-Earth/dp/0393062171/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1199550756&amp;sr=1-2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Creation&lt;/a&gt;.  He&#039;s an atheist reaching out to deists in an appeal to unite in the common cause of saving our planet.  It is one of the most inspiring and beautifully written books I&#039;ve read in a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I&#8217;m delighted to see Lovecraft in the midst of all these books!  More than a little surprising, but oddly refreshing. <img src='http://www.mindonfire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> )  (I probably own most of his works, and what I don&#8217;t own, you can probably find online <a href="http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Howard_Phillips_Lovecraft" rel="nofollow">here</a></p>
<p>I know I&#8217;m repeating myself here, but Sagan&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Demon-Haunted-World-Science-Candle-Dark/dp/0345409469/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1199550226&amp;sr=8-2" rel="nofollow">Demon Haunted World</a> surely fits this list.</p>
<p>As one of the (apparently few) deists here, (and in the spirit of Obama&#8217;s getting away from polarizing politics), I will again strongly recommend E. O. Wilson&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Creation-Appeal-Save-Life-Earth/dp/0393062171/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1199550756&amp;sr=1-2" rel="nofollow">The Creation</a>.  He&#8217;s an atheist reaching out to deists in an appeal to unite in the common cause of saving our planet.  It is one of the most inspiring and beautifully written books I&#8217;ve read in a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: markii</title>
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		<dc:creator>markii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am very thankful for skepticism.  luckily, as i was investigating mormon history for myself, bob mccue (google his name to see his extensive online writings) recommended to me &#039;why people believe weird things&#039;, by michael shermer.  skepticism rang true and honest to me.  intellectual honesty was and is a main philosophy and virtue of the scientific method.  after learning the tools of critical thinking, i no longer needed to read dozens and dozens of books on mormon history to decipher whether it was divine or not.  books on skepticism helped me filter information and allowed me the use of the sharp-edged occam&#039;s razor when i needed to make my own mind up about a certain issue.

i&#039;ve since found out that no one really knows anything, and no one will ever know anything (about god, for example).  anything other than that- any philosophy or virtue true to humans i believe can be discovered by anyone with a little logic, reason, meditation and contemplation.  what i mean is that humanistic values can be arrived at and shared with other humanists, as soon as doubt is embraced, and logic is treated as superior to faith.

another book on skepticism that i&#039;d like to recommend is &#039;Don&#039;t Believe Everything You Think: The 6 Basic Mistakes We Make in Thinking&#039;.

Oh....and The Bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am very thankful for skepticism.  luckily, as i was investigating mormon history for myself, bob mccue (google his name to see his extensive online writings) recommended to me &#8216;why people believe weird things&#8217;, by michael shermer.  skepticism rang true and honest to me.  intellectual honesty was and is a main philosophy and virtue of the scientific method.  after learning the tools of critical thinking, i no longer needed to read dozens and dozens of books on mormon history to decipher whether it was divine or not.  books on skepticism helped me filter information and allowed me the use of the sharp-edged occam&#8217;s razor when i needed to make my own mind up about a certain issue.</p>
<p>i&#8217;ve since found out that no one really knows anything, and no one will ever know anything (about god, for example).  anything other than that- any philosophy or virtue true to humans i believe can be discovered by anyone with a little logic, reason, meditation and contemplation.  what i mean is that humanistic values can be arrived at and shared with other humanists, as soon as doubt is embraced, and logic is treated as superior to faith.</p>
<p>another book on skepticism that i&#8217;d like to recommend is &#8216;Don&#8217;t Believe Everything You Think: The 6 Basic Mistakes We Make in Thinking&#8217;.</p>
<p>Oh&#8230;.and The Bible.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
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		<description>I would recommend:
Myth of Sisyphus by Albert Camus.
This book handles with living in an absurd world (aka a world without meaning).  There are many existentialist books with this kind of theme but very few of them achieve the poetic sincerity of Sisyphus.  Camus also leads us in a positive direction in this book - a nice refresher.

Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche.
Many good and bad things can be said about this book but it has undeniably influenced nonreligious thinkers around the world for over 100 years. 

I suppose that is it.  I don&#039;t have many current authors to offer that may have been overshadowed by over-merchandised works (unfortunately!).  
I am in full agreement that the Modern Atheism class was the most fun I&#039;ve had while at University (even though I was mostly too shy to speak up).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would recommend:<br />
Myth of Sisyphus by Albert Camus.<br />
This book handles with living in an absurd world (aka a world without meaning).  There are many existentialist books with this kind of theme but very few of them achieve the poetic sincerity of Sisyphus.  Camus also leads us in a positive direction in this book &#8211; a nice refresher.</p>
<p>Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche.<br />
Many good and bad things can be said about this book but it has undeniably influenced nonreligious thinkers around the world for over 100 years. </p>
<p>I suppose that is it.  I don&#8217;t have many current authors to offer that may have been overshadowed by over-merchandised works (unfortunately!).<br />
I am in full agreement that the Modern Atheism class was the most fun I&#8217;ve had while at University (even though I was mostly too shy to speak up).</p>
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