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	<title>Comments on: Leaving the Garden: Jana&#8217;s Journey</title>
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		<title>By: Joe R</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/01/04/leaving-the-garden-janas-journey/comment-page-1/#comment-8857</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for directing me to your other stories.  (I had no idea that you were a blogger extraodinaire)  That gives me a great deal of insight into what I will likely be experiencing over the next several years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for directing me to your other stories.  (I had no idea that you were a blogger extraodinaire)  That gives me a great deal of insight into what I will likely be experiencing over the next several years.</p>
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		<title>By: xJane</title>
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		<dc:creator>xJane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your posts about how difficult it was for you when John left give me a glimpse into how my family felt when I left. (Although I was not their husband, I was their child &amp; their &quot;responsibility&quot;.) But I still cannot fathom what causes a person to believe something will happen to someone else&#039;s soul. I understand that something does &amp; I&#039;ve accepted that, but some things still baffle me. Thank you for sharing: here and on your blog :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your posts about how difficult it was for you when John left give me a glimpse into how my family felt when I left. (Although I was not their husband, I was their child &#038; their &#8220;responsibility&#8221;.) But I still cannot fathom what causes a person to believe something will happen to someone else&#8217;s soul. I understand that something does &#038; I&#8217;ve accepted that, but some things still baffle me. Thank you for sharing: here and on your blog <img src='http://www.mindonfire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: pilgrimgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>pilgrimgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isaac and Kevin: thank you for your kind comments.

JoeR: Part of my story that isn&#039;t told in this post is about my marriage.  My spouse became disaffected with the church before I did.  And it was hell for me.  I&#039;ve written on my blog about the difficulties this caused in our marriage.  
Some of the relevant posts:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://pilgrimgirl.blogspot.com/2006/10/and-i-hit-him-across-other-cheek-too.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;And I Hit Him...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://pilgrimgirl.blogspot.com/2006/11/worth-dying-for.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Worth dying for...&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://pilgrimgirl.blogspot.com/2007/01/and-no-other_06.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; And no other...&lt;/a&gt;

Let me just say that it will take time and compassion (for both of you).  Having been through both roles in this journey now, I can say that it&#039;s much harder to be the spouse of a disaffected member (particularly as a woman, because her salvation is tied to yours) than it is to leave the church yourself--although that&#039;s a hard road in many ways, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isaac and Kevin: thank you for your kind comments.</p>
<p>JoeR: Part of my story that isn&#8217;t told in this post is about my marriage.  My spouse became disaffected with the church before I did.  And it was hell for me.  I&#8217;ve written on my blog about the difficulties this caused in our marriage.<br />
Some of the relevant posts:<br />
<a href="http://pilgrimgirl.blogspot.com/2006/10/and-i-hit-him-across-other-cheek-too.html" rel="nofollow">And I Hit Him&#8230;</a><br />
<a href="http://pilgrimgirl.blogspot.com/2006/11/worth-dying-for.html" rel="nofollow"> Worth dying for&#8230;</a><br />
<a href="http://pilgrimgirl.blogspot.com/2007/01/and-no-other_06.html" rel="nofollow"> And no other&#8230;</a></p>
<p>Let me just say that it will take time and compassion (for both of you).  Having been through both roles in this journey now, I can say that it&#8217;s much harder to be the spouse of a disaffected member (particularly as a woman, because her salvation is tied to yours) than it is to leave the church yourself&#8211;although that&#8217;s a hard road in many ways, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe R</title>
		<link>http://www.mindonfire.com/2008/01/04/leaving-the-garden-janas-journey/comment-page-1/#comment-8816</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 02:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one who is having a similar experience, I wonder how your family (particularly your spouse) is taking this journey of yours.  I have done my best to open and honest with my wife regarding my new found feelings/understandings about life and faith.  She thinks I&#039;m apostate, confused, and struggling, but I couldnt feel more clear thinking, positive, and appreciative of life than I am now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one who is having a similar experience, I wonder how your family (particularly your spouse) is taking this journey of yours.  I have done my best to open and honest with my wife regarding my new found feelings/understandings about life and faith.  She thinks I&#8217;m apostate, confused, and struggling, but I couldnt feel more clear thinking, positive, and appreciative of life than I am now.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 10:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to second Isaac&#039;s thanks!

Sharing is awe-some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to second Isaac&#8217;s thanks!</p>
<p>Sharing is awe-some.</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 06:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing this.

Because of it&#039;s personal nature I do not have much to add besides to let you know it was read.

One thing did stick out, though, that I wanted to linger on for a moment.  You said that on your faith journey you lost your certainty (among other things, but I want to focus on the certainty).   I am someone who has spent a lit forming certainties about life.

One of the conclusions I&#039;ve come to over the last couple of months is that one of the things which makes life so wonderful IS the uncertainty.  It IS the journey of discovery and rediscovery.  I think a lot of people fear the unknown or being uncertain (so I guess your comment about fear is appropriate), but I think that if you embrace that fact that life IS unknown, you can enjoy the exploration that much more.

Or... something like that.  :P

Thanks for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing this.</p>
<p>Because of it&#8217;s personal nature I do not have much to add besides to let you know it was read.</p>
<p>One thing did stick out, though, that I wanted to linger on for a moment.  You said that on your faith journey you lost your certainty (among other things, but I want to focus on the certainty).   I am someone who has spent a lit forming certainties about life.</p>
<p>One of the conclusions I&#8217;ve come to over the last couple of months is that one of the things which makes life so wonderful IS the uncertainty.  It IS the journey of discovery and rediscovery.  I think a lot of people fear the unknown or being uncertain (so I guess your comment about fear is appropriate), but I think that if you embrace that fact that life IS unknown, you can enjoy the exploration that much more.</p>
<p>Or&#8230; something like that.  <img src='http://www.mindonfire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for sharing.</p>
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